Do believers go to heaven when they die? (baptism, faith, Baptist)

[alanMolstad]

See, the trinity is always in action of union...
Always equal, always in union.

Thus The Father raised Christ from the dead...
Thus the Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead.

and...

The Son raised himself back from the dead...

This is how the Trinity works.
Always united, always equal.

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by meerkat2

Context ??

The context of the "Destroy this temple..." verse is that Jesus is teaching his men that He will raise his own "Body" back from the dead...

There is no other answer , case closed.

[ShanaBrown]

The Son raised himself back from the dead...

Hi, the power that the Son has comes from the Father, so the Father is Sovereign and above the Son. He ultimately raised Jesus because He is the source of the power. The Son acts on behalf of the Father. God bless.

[ShanaBrown]

The case may be closed for you alan, but not for others God bless.

[ShanaBrown]

The Son was raised to life and this is the important thing in this thread. He was brought back to life from the dead. God bless.

[alanMolstad]

Oh, I guess you think Jesus should have said - "Destroy this temple and in three days I get to raise it up"?

[ShanaBrown]

No. God bless.

[alanMolstad]

Im sorry but no...Jesus told his men he would raise up his own body...
And he did,
That is what his men believed he said he could do, and what they saw he did do.
Thats it...case closed.

You can not disagree with this and stay within the world of Christian teachings...
For the moment you try to, you enter into the dark world of the cults....

Yes, I know of cults have many teachings that support the idea that Jesus could not raise up his own body,
Just as many cults have lots of verses to support their soul-sleep teachings that are another error.
But Im telling you that such teachings are error,,,fully in error.

Jesus sent his own spirit to the father.
The spirit of Jesus did not then suddenly fall asleep and need to have the father bump him awake later...
Nor do the spirits of believers fall asleep when they are taken into the arms of the Lord.


And think about it,,,do you really think that the first thing a person wants to do when they finally enter into the very real presence of the Lord it to think about taking a little nap?......thats just silly!

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

The context of the "Destroy this temple..." verse is that Jesus is teaching his men that He will raise his own "Body" back from the dead...

There is no other answer , case closed.

[ShanaBrown]

Im sorry but no...Jesus told his men he would raise up his own body...
And he did,

Well He did because God was His source and gave Him all authority in heaven and on earth. He also acts on behalf of the Father. Ultimately the Father raised Him if He is the source.

That is what his men believed he said he could do, and what they saw he did do.
Thats it...case closed.

You can not disagree with this and stay within the world of Christian teachings...
For the moment you try to, you enter into the dark world of the cults....

Well, there are very many Christians who are not in cults who believe that the Father is the source and that the Son is subservient to the Father as is presented in the scriptures.

Yes, I know of cults have many teachings that support the idea that Jesus could not raise up his own body,
Just as many cults have lots of verses to support their soul-sleep teachings that are another error.
But Im telling you that such teachings are error,,,fully in error.

Maybe many cults do. I am not in a cult. Many Christians who are not in cults understand that we are made alive upon the resurrection. Many scriptures show this.

Jesus sent his own spirit to the father.
The spirit of Jesus did not then suddenly fall asleep and need to have the father bump him awake later...
Nor do the spirits of believers fall asleep when they are taken into the arms of the Lord.


And think about it,,,do you really think that the first thing a person wants to do when they finally enter into the very real presense of the Lord it to think about taking a little nap?......thats just silly!

That is silly The spirit of Jesus returned to the Father just as all our spirits do when we die. The Father is also the author of this. When we die, we automatically take the nap. It is not a decision that we make in heaven. We sleep (die) before we are raised. God bless.