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Alpha8207 · 07-31-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by trettep

No, I just exposed your strawman and by your reply, you just confirmed it.

Tell me though, why is that you believe God fails to persuade some?

Paul

The same reason Eve ate the apple.

The same reason God 'repented' at His creation prior to the flood.

He's God, man. I'm not.

Alpha8207 · 07-31-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by trettep

There is no few that will be saved. Any such assertion is a misunderstanding of God's Word. So why don't you get specific. Take a verse out and throw it at me that you believe refute universal salvation.

Paul

OK, so you're not up to the 'Jesus was asked' challenge.

Not surprised....I'd back down when trying to disprove my King's response too.

How about this....why don't we start with you explaining to me how an unforgiven sin will be allowed to enter Heaven.

Let's see you (again) call the Word of God false:

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin. Mark 3:29

trettep · 07-31-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha8207

The same reason Eve ate the apple.

The same reason God 'repented' at His creation prior to the flood.

He's God, man. I'm not.

There you go Alpha8207, I knew you would admit that your god is falliable. See ours in universalism is NOT FALLIABLE. So who is really going to want to follow a god that fails? Where is the guarantee of ones salvation if you have a falliable god? That gospel is one of Death.

Paul

pcamps · 07-31-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha8207

The same reason Eve ate the apple.

The same reason God 'repented' at His creation prior to the flood.

He's God, man. I'm not.

Ate an apple ? i hope you are joking ???

Another organized christian tradition "Adam and Eve ate an apple" lmao

Alpha8207 · 07-31-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by trettep

There you go Alpha8207, I knew you would admit that your god is falliable. See ours in universalism is NOT FALLIABLE. So who is really going to want to follow a god that fails? Where is the guarantee of ones salvation if you have a falliable god? That gospel is one of Death.

Paul

You can blaspheme the God of the Bible all you want (though I don't know why it'd be done in a Christian forum). You can call follow whatever God you want to follow. But what I wrote is in scripture. God destroyed the world one time and only a few were saved....8 in all. If you think that makes Him a failure, well, you can tell Him when you meet Him.

The ark is a type of Christ and just as a few were willing to be found pleasing in God's sight and thus be saved, so it is in Christ.

trettep · 07-31-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha8207

OK, so you're not up to the 'Jesus was asked' challenge.

Not surprised....I'd back down when trying to disprove my King's response too.

How about this....why don't we start with you explaining to me how an unforgiven sin will be allowed to enter Heaven.

Let's see you (again) call the Word of God false:

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin. Mark 3:29

Never being forgiven doesn't mean that one will not be saved. The unforgiven servant in the parable didn't forgive his servants but look what happens:

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Notice the word "TILL"? - see when we blaspheme the Holy Spirit were not forgiven which means we must PAY THE PRICE!!! But afterwards we no longer are in Debt. We are debtless afterwards.

Got some more? Maybe you will learn something here.

Paul

Alpha8207 · 07-31-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pcamps

Ate an apple ? i hope you are joking ???

Another organized christian tradition "Adam and Eve ate an apple" lmao

A fruit...whatever....you know what I meant.

trettep · 07-31-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha8207

You can blaspheme the God of the Bible all you want (though I don't know why it'd be done in a Christian forum). You can call follow whatever God you want to follow. But what I wrote is in scripture. God destroyed the world one time and only a few were saved....8 in all. If you think that makes Him a failure, well, you can tell Him when you meet Him.

The ark is a type of Christ and just as a few were willing to be found pleasing in God's sight and thus be saved, so it is in Christ.

Again, it is you that are claiming that God is falliable - not me. It is you that says he fails.

Paul

Alpha8207 · 07-31-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trettep

Never being forgiven doesn't mean that one will not be saved. The unforgiven servant in the parable didn't forgive his servants but look what happens:

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Notice the word "TILL"? - see when we blaspheme the Holy Spirit were not forgiven which means we must PAY THE PRICE!!! But afterwards we no longer are in Debt. We are debtless afterwards.

Got some more? Maybe you will learn something here.

Paul

So God's going to allow a sin that's never forgiven.....an eternal sin...to come into the purity of His presence.

Yeah, I'm learning something alright.

I'm learning that you guys are fully indoctrinated if you buy that.

ShanaBrown · 07-31-2009, 07:25 PM

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It is.

The very universalists that have been 'recruited' to this site even shared that all of you were led astray by the internet.

No, it isn't Alpha. It was a belief/teaching that was widespread in the early church and no one has shared that we were led astray by the Internet.

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This isn't something that's mainstream or widely accepted and many scholars....you know, people who actually have knowledge about these things based on more than wiki, tentmaker, or Ray Smith....and those scholars disagree with the (false) teaching.

Being mainstream or widely accepted does not equate to truth. What is truth is found in the scriptures. Many scholars/ Biblical teachers do see the restoration of all things to God through Jesus Christ as presented in God's word.

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Youcan dress it up and try and sell it anyway you like...but it ain't what you profess. Sorry.

Glad it's pretty much just floating out here on the world wide web deceiving just a few instead of many. Not much anyone can do about it but just meet lies with Truth, so you see what we have here at City-Data....another 'us vs them' mentality of folks arguing and no one changing anyone's mind

It may your opinion that it is floating out there but the truth of the matter is that it is a belief/teaching believed by many if not the majority in the early church, and it grounded in the scriptures.

Scriptures is not be dressed up or sold. It just is and it is shared. God brings the increase.

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Sounds productive doesn't it?

Surely something God would want us doing, right?

Whatever.

These are discussion forums open to different beliefs and I believe that the terms indicate that they are to welcome different beliefs. The discussion may not be productive to you but to others it has been and is being productive. God bless.