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To save and restore all men, the law of the Lord God must be broken. First, He must forgive the sinners meaning justifying the wicked. Second, the dead must come alive. This the Lord will not do because he has spoken it.
The Lord God does not change His words
We have all sinned, Presby. We were all wicked and God justified us. Death itself is to be abolished one day and the way that death is abolished is if all are made alive. God bless
Isaiah 25:6-8
The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain;
A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow,
And refined, aged wine.
7. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples,
Even the veil which is stretched over all nations.
8. He will swallow up death for all time,
And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces,
And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.
That's true in so long as the wicked remain in their rebellion against God. Once the wrath of God and all the curse of the law is upon the wicked, if they repent and seek God with all their heart, they will find God and God will receive them and circumcise their heart to love God. That is the law. If God rejects their repentance, the law of God is broken. see Deuteronomy ch 28-30. God's mercy endures "forever" or "through the ages". That's not just a platitude.
As I have said, God cannot and will not forgive the sinners/unbelievers/non-elect on Judgement day.There is no more grace. Even if they want to repent, beg him, seek Him, ask Him, whatever. He cannot justify the wicked because it is an abomination to Him. This is the law of the Lord God and also His nature. Sin must be punished and the wages of sin is death. All must die and will die. No more coming back alive.
This is the law of the Lord God. No one can change it.
Proverbs 17: 15 - He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquitthe wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
As I have said, God cannot and will not forgive the sinners/unbelievers/non-elect on Judgement day.There is no more grace. Even if they want to repent, beg him, seek Him, ask Him, whatever. He cannot justify the wicked because it is an abomination to Him. This is the law of the Lord God and also His nature. Sin must be punished and the wages of sin is death. All must die and will die. No more coming back alive.
This is the law of the Lord God. No one can change it.
Proverbs 17: 15 - He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquitthe wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
Presby, the wicked will be destroyed. We went over that already.
Aren't we all wicked? Weren't we all unbelievers at one point? Yet God saved us.
God "cannot" save someone on judgment day? He doesn't allow himself too? His grace runs out? You are putting limits on what God can do.
You say sin must be punished. The wages of sin is death. All must die. This is true. We will all die.
Then you say "no more coming back alive". Huh? What about the resurrection? ALL are resurrected.
While annihilation is much more merciful than eternal torment, it still falls short of the glory of God and contradicts scripture. Death will be defeated. There will be no more death. Jesus will destroy death. Saying billions are consigned to an eternal death is saying Jesus will not defeat death.
Presby, the wicked will be destroyed. We went over that already.
Aren't we all wicked? Weren't we all unbelievers at one point? Yet God saved us.
God "cannot" save someone on judgment day? He doesn't allow himself too? His grace runs out? You are putting limits on what God can do.
You say sin must be punished. The wages of sin is death. All must die. This is true. We will all die.
Then you say "no more coming back alive". Huh? What about the resurrection? ALL are resurrected.
While annihilation is much more merciful than eternal torment, it still falls short of the glory of God and contradicts scripture. Death will be defeated. There will be no more death. Jesus will destroy death. Saying billions are consigned to an eternal death is saying Jesus will not defeat death.
We have all sinned, Presby. We were all wicked and God justified us. Death itself is to be abolished one day and the way that death is abolished is if all are made alive. God bless
Yes we all all sinners and God justifies the believers. But the wages of sin is death. Sinners will never be make alive. You are changing the law of the Lord God, You cannot and must not change it. Read Revelation 22:18-19 for the consequences.
Isaiah 25:6-8
The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain;
A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow,
And refined, aged wine.
7. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples,
Even the veil which is stretched over all nations.
8. He will swallow up death for all time,
And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces,
And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.
As for this lavish banquet, isn't it wonderful but the law of the Lord God also state certain people cannot attend. The foolish shall not stand in His sight. Who are the foolish? The one that says in his heart, there is no God. That means the unbelievers/sinners/non-elect. This is the law of the Lord Most High.
Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Do not quote Isaiah 25:6-8 without Psalm 5:5 and Psalm 14:1. In principle you are taking away from the word of God and the consequences are stated in Revelation 22:18-19. Even if you believe you are saved. The Lord God will take away your eternal life.
Presby, yes the foolish will not stand in His sight and He hatest all workers of iniquity just as He hated us. But guess what, Presby, He gave His Son for the ones He hated He is even transforming us into new creatures, just as He will do for all. He will swallow up death for all time, Presby, and for all people. The Lord has spoken. God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 08-07-2009 at 10:48 AM..
Psalm 107:1 O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give thanks to the LORD
BECAUSE He is good
BECAUSE His mercy endures for ever.
Amen.
The grace given by the Lord God for salvation is through faith. What is faith? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Now what is the most important evidence of things not seen? It is the face of the Lord God Most High in His full majestic glorify state. Once you see His face, faith does not apply and thus there is no more grace for the sinners/unbelievers/non-elect.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Do not quote Psalm 107:1 without Ephesians 2:8. In principle you are taking out from the word of God and will suffer the consequences as stated in Revelation 22: 18-19.
The grace given by the Lord God for salvation is through faith. What is faith? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Now what is the most important evidence of things not seen? It is the face of the Lord God Most High in His full majestic glorify state. Once you see His face, faith does not apply and thus there is no more grace for the sinners/unbelievers/non-elect.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Do not quote Psalm 107:1 without Ephesians 2:8. In principle you are taking out from the word of God and will suffer the consequences as stated in Revelation 22: 18-19.
1. The disciples saw Christ crucified in the flesh, saw Him raised from the dead, saw & touched His resurrected glorified body, and saw Him ascend into heaven. Yet they still had faith.
2. As with Joseph (type of Christ) and his wicked brothers, Joseph hid his true identity from his brothers while tormenting them for their evil. Likewise with God and the wicked. Anyway, no one truly sees God until they are born again. "whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
3. You are constructing arguments to show that God's mercy ends, but "Give thanks to the LORD for He is good for His mercy endures forever."
4. I did not quote Psalm 107 in absence of the thought of faith, since my prior post stated that when all the curse of the law is upon a person that they must repent and seek God with all their heart (which is faith) in order to find Him. I did not say that God simply opens up His arms to the wicked and has mercy apart from faith. But you deny that IF they seek Him with all their heart, they will find Him. You say mercy has ended. You contradict the scriptures.
Last edited by Thy Kingdom Come; 08-07-2009 at 11:41 AM..
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He is even transforming us into new creatures, just as He will do for all. He will swallow up death for all time, Presby, and for all people. The Lord has spoken. 