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The way I understand it after some studies. I believe that we sin because of death passed down to us. When Adam sinned, the death sentence was passed onto us and this is why we sin. It is inevitable that we become sinners because of the operation of death.
Romans 5:12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because [eph' ho, "on which"] all sinned- (literally, from my understanding)
We do not die because we sin but we sin because we are mortal. This is the reason why babies can die before they commit any sin. God bless.
I do! A baby is not born a sinner, he is born w/ a sinful nature due to the sin of Adam & Eve. Babies do not die because of sin. They die because we are in a fallen world, as I stated before.
From the verses you quoted, I still don't get that babies have the capability of believing. Get real! A baby has no reasoning to logic, let alone the plan of Salvation. Ok, a baby leaped for joy in the womb. Many babies respond in utero to sound. That doesn't mean they are capable of hearing the plan of Salvation and accepting Jesus. That just means that they are responding to sound and rhythm, nothing more. Their brain is not fully developed to make a decision to accept or reject Jesus. THEY ARE BABIES!
How on earth can a baby earn the wages of sin when they don't even know how to reason, yet alone know what sin is? That makes no sense at all.
Now wait, are you telling me to get real or refuse to believe that what I'm reading is the truth?
"How on earth can a baby earn the wages of sin when they don't even know how to reason,....?"
Now wait, are you telling me to get real or refuse to believe that what I'm reading is the truth?
"How on earth can a baby earn the wages of sin when they don't even know how to reason,....?"
When does a person recieve their soul?
We are born w/ a soul and I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said to get real. We all share different opinions and I should'nt impose mine upon you as the only way even tho I believe it to be true. From my education and study in early childhood education, and infant soul is new to the world, and consequentely would not know very much about what is going on, especially how to reject or recieve Jesus Christ. Their soul would be weak in understanding and in need of guidance. I personally can't see God condemning such innocence to death.
I'm sorry we misinterrupt the Bible diferently. It happens all to much when verses are pulled out of context.
there is Nothing remotely mature about her perspective on this issue
I was merely pointing out, that one must be Spiritually matured/minded, But I understand, you missed that!
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God must meet Human criteria for being God (or it isn't God)
Did ever occure to you that when he said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh! that he learns from us as much as we do from each other as people! food for thought!
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God Is Love
Yes! Agree.
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no evil of any kiind and REQUIRES NOTHING OF US other than that we mature spiritually and be reborn as spirit AFTER our death!
Actually spiritual maturity requires that Right Now! not when a person dies. And no! we don't become reborn of the spirit after death, but before!
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The ugly and ridiculous beliefs that emerge from such primitive understanding of God are dispicable
You've every right to your opinion, sorry you feel that way!
The purpose of the OT scriptures was to provide the prophesies that would serve to prove and validate the significance of Jesus by being fulfilled even millennia after His death and crucifixion . . . NOT to retain the primitive and absurd beliefs about God that were also in those primitive writings. 1 Corinthians 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;which vail is done away in Christ.
1 John 5:20 (King James Version)
20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
We don't need the Old Testament scriptures to see that babies are born with sin. We can read that in the New Testament.
you are essentially talking about curses, we have intervention yes?
best jewish lawyer that ever walked the earth.
rejoice.
please no dead babies, i like em.
I do! A baby is not born a sinner, he is born w/ a sinful nature due to the sin of Adam & Eve. Babies do not die because of sin. They die because we are in a fallen world, as I stated before.
From the verses you quoted, I still don't get that babies have the capability of believing. Get real! A baby has no reasoning to logic, let alone the plan of Salvation. Ok, a baby leaped for joy in the womb. Many babies respond in utero to sound. That doesn't mean they are capable of hearing the plan of Salvation and accepting Jesus. That just means that they are responding to sound and rhythm, nothing more. Their brain is not fully developed to make a decision to accept or reject Jesus. THEY ARE BABIES!
How on earth can a baby earn the wages of sin when they don't even know how to reason, yet alone know what sin is? That makes no sense at all.
You say that a babies doesn't die because of sin but because we are in a fallen world but we find no scriptures to support that death comes any other way but sin. Plus the scriptures refute it.
Tell me, why do you think that life beginning with a god blowing on a lump of dirt is more logical? Any god that condemns innocent babes is not one I want anything to do with... Condemning one for the mistakes of another is not logical nor is it right.
It is more logical because I see that intelligence is at work here. I believe there must be a source for all intelligence and I believe that source IS God. The belief that chance created such an intelligent design and maintains it - is illogical.
I agree with this. We are all born with the sinful nature. We are all born with corruptable bodies. So a baby dies because he has a corruptable physical body,just like his parents. I don`t believe a baby`s heart has brought forth sin.
It isn't that they BROUGHT FORTH sin but that they are born WITH sin.
Paul
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