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Old 10-30-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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And the destiny would have been.......?

I am not asking who would have been saved, I am asking what their destiny would have been.

The Bible doesn't say Eliah will be saved in some future date, it says he ALREADY WENT TO HEAVEN.
So, if people could go to heaven by making the right choice before Jesus died on the cross, then why do you think Jesus died? They had to make a choice then, and according to traditional views, they have to make a choice now. UR believes Jesus died to save mankind, not to reward them for believing correctly and setting them on fire if they don't.

 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:29 PM
 
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Old 10-30-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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eeehhh....I am saved and therefore not threatened by ET, yet I go to church.
exactly, you go to church because you think that bye not going,or bye not being a part of this religion that you are goin to burn for eternity

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Are you trying to say that you do not go to church because you don't believe in hell?
if the church got this one thing wrong,then what else have they got wrong,i cant trust the doctrine!



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There is no such thing as inncent person, since everyone is a sinner.
yet you think that you are destined for a life of eternal happiness,while those who are goin to burn are no diffdernt than you,just because you say you beleive in something that they dont!!!

you still didnt answer my question---what would you do?????
 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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No greater evil than Eternal Torment ........... yes there is.

When the created accuses God of not being fair or just.
 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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No greater evil than Eternal Torment ........... yes there is.

When the created accuses God of not being fair or just.
a big insult to the Supreme Father
 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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exactly, you go to church because you think that bye not going,or bye not being a part of this religion that you are goin to burn for eternity
Thanks for trying to tell me what I believe, but no, that is not what I believe. Not at all. If that is what you believed, then you never knew Him.

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you still didnt answer my question---what would you do?????
What I would do is irrelevant. What did God do when he saw the people of Noah's time reject Him? He killed them. What did he do with Jews when they rejected Him? He killed them. He did it over, and over and over, so what is the point of asking me what I would do? Would you have killed everyone in the flood? God does what he does, and our preference on the matter has little relevance. If you think God has changed since Noah's time, you ar wrong, because He is still the same God.
 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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No greater evil than Eternal Torment ........... yes there is.

When the created accuses God of not being fair or just.
Indeed. Seems like they judge God, not vice versa. They say if God does what the Bible says, then he is a sick and twisted monster. Go figure.
 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:52 PM
 
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No greater evil than Eternal Torment ........... yes there is.

When the created accuses God of not being fair or just.
I disagree. In due time, God can and will correct mistaken perceptions of Himself.

But letting anyone suffer forever is infinitely worse than temporarily being mistaken about what is fair or just.

WILL JESUS TORTURE BILLIONS FOREVER?
The Law of Circularity: Will Jesus Torture Billions Forever? How Men Are Saved

NO HE WILL NOT.

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Old 10-30-2010, 08:54 PM
 
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a big insult to the Supreme Father
That is what the pots are doing to The Potter

Isaiah 45:9
"Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground."
 
Old 10-30-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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And it is absurd to say that it is not Jesus who would be torturing us since He is the one who created us and sustains us alive. Colossians 1:16
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