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Old 08-14-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Sorry, I'm calling you on this one. I WAS a Christian. I pulled back because I found the whole thing to be confusing and messed up. When I'd hear the OT preached on I'd be repulsed and think "how can I sit here and pretend to LOVE this monster of a god?!" My thoughts and desires were just fine before church. I was (still am) married...had no desire to be unfaithful or look a porn or anything of that nature. Not a thief. Not a murderer. No desire to be a thief or murderer. I could go on.
If I had been going to that church I probably would have pulled away too.
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville,Florida
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Another analogy of grace would be the young men who fight and die for our country,the Army sends them off to war to fight for our nation to obtain freedom,a freedom we as citizens didn't earn but the soldiers themselves sacrificed and provided for a safer nation for us.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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Another analogy of grace would be the young men who fight and die for our country,the Army sends them off to war to fight for our nation to obtain freedom,a freedom we as citizens didn't earn but the soldiers themselves sacrificed and provided for a safer nation for us.
Hmmm...

June thinks you might have forgotten to include in your "analogy" the fact that it's all taken for granted, or goes unnoticed...
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Old 08-15-2009, 02:44 PM
 
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While June intellectually understands what people have posted here in their kind hearted attempts to help her understand what "grace" is, it is somehow ironic to her that it was that one post that mentioned "at the moment it is my garden over flowing." --Call June nuts, (trust me, it's been done, but the state of Massachusetts allows me to practice anyway, those damn heathen fools!) but June's not seeing a whole lotta OT doctrine, dogma, or anything else in gardens a-bloomin'. And yet, for some reason, that resonated with her. It's difficult to get angry, resentful, or just down right mad at an over flowing garden, just as it is for June to get angry, resentful, or mad when she sits here in the pre-dawn hours and waits to hear the geese fly overhead...

What June is saying (to you and everyone else who has been kind enough to post here) is this: June is the LAST person to know what "grace" is. None the less, if we assume it exists, (?) then at the very least it has to rise above discord. It has to rise above, and independently exist on it's own. It can't be dependent upon interpretation, or denomination, or orientation, or subjective persuasion. It somehow either "is" or "is not."

--So if an over flowing garden somehow resonates enough with this nonbeliever such that she can go "Ah! So that's it!" she somehow doubts that whatever it is that resonates in her is anything to strenuously argue.
Take gentle care.
Grace is the "state of mind" of the consciousness of Christ and it is a permanent part of human consciousness as the Holy spirit. As a consequence, all human consciousness has the potential to "resonate" with the love for all life that Jesus embodies and be part of God consciousness (our goal) when we die and are reborn as spirit. The benefits while still in our physical bodies are life-enriching and worthy of our effort to "resonate" with Jesus's love for ALL humankind (and all life . . . even the least of them). Jesus requires NOTHING FROM us (God has no "needs" or deficiencies . . . certainly not "glory") . . . WE are the beneficiaries of all that is commanded of us.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Nowhere'sville
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If I had been going to that church I probably would have pulled away too.

Whatever do you mean ILNC? They were just teaching out of the bible! I was able to see it for what it was/is. You can't lay out these OT stories, sprinkle some flowers and sugar around them and expect someone like me to just ignor the fact that god is presented as a childish, petty, arogant, bloodthirsty, mean spirited, unjust s.o.b! (like my run on sentence?)
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Whatever do you mean ILNC? They were just teaching out of the bible! I was able to see it for what it was/is. You can't lay out these OT stories, sprinkle some flowers and sugar around them and expect someone like me to just ignor the fact that god is presented as a childish, petty, arogant, bloodthirsty, mean spirited, unjust s.o.b! (like my run on sentence?)
No they were not. The stuff you were taught is just a bunch of legalistic garbage. The fact you did not get a good understanding of the OT verifies this.
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Old 08-15-2009, 08:45 PM
 
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Have the grace to reflect Christ in spite of those types of attacks....

The grace to know that it isn't you that offended that person but Christ in you.....

The grace to know that where that person is spiritually is a result of a lot of things...and crappy Christians is probably one of those things.....

Have the grace to speak the Truth in love, forgive for hurtful words, and move on.

God's grace and blessings to you, ILNC.

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Old 08-15-2009, 08:53 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Have the grace to reflect Christ in spite of those types of attacks....

The grace to know that it isn't you that offended that person but Christ in you.....

The grace to know that where that person is spiritually is a result of a lot of things...and crappy Christians is probably one of those things.....

Have the grace to speak the Truth in love, forgive for hurtful words, and move on.

God's grace and blessings to you, ILNC.
Thank you Alpha. I will continue to stand up for Christ as long as He give me breath. And I hold no grudges against this person, for like you said it was Christ who was attacked, not me. Blessings to you dear friend!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:31 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Grace is best defined as "undeserved love"

There is no good reason or merits in us\me for God to send his Son to take our place to endure the punishment for our unbelief. Only his great grace and love for the fallen, rebellious mankind compelled him to do so.

Gods grace is a factual event. A person can only reject what is absolutly offered freely.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Somewhere
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Grace is best defined as "undeserved love"

There is no good reason or merits in us\me for God to send his Son to take our place to endure the punishment for our unbelief. Only his great grace and love for the fallen, rebellious mankind compelled him to do so.

Gods grace is a factual event. A person can only reject what is absolutly offered freely.
Faith is the ACCESS to Grace.

Paul
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