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for me. Just one God.
Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
I don't turn views of the Godhead into heaven and hell issues like many do, these days. We just wrap are minds around it, the best we can.
In John's gospel Jesus told Mary after He arose from the dead not to touch Him. He then said to tell the disciples He is ascending to His Father and their Father and His God and their God (John 20:17).
Now then, if Jesus is saying He is going to where His God is and is going to where the disciple's God is, does it not stand to reason that Jesus, in the absolute sense, is not the disciple's God and therefore is not our God?
Yet there are a couple verses which declare Jesus to be God. Yet there are a couple verses in the Bible which declare certain Israelites to be God (John 10:34; Psa.82:6) and did not God in the O.T. tell Moses that Moses is God and Aaron his prophet? (Ex.7:1).
So in what sense is Jesus "God"? It is in the sense that He is the One God has placed over the universe as the Subjector (which is what "God" or "Theos" or "Elohim" means).
But Jesus is the only One Who perfectly mirrors the Father and is worthy of worship.
The best scripture for me to gain understanding is Isaiah 9:6.
Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version)
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The term God means the Elohim kind. It is singular but a collective noun like a family or government. It is one but composed of more than one person.
The God Family has the Father Y'hovah and Son Yeshua. The Son was the Being called "Logos" (Greek) translated to English Bible the literal "Word" meaning the Spokesman or the Being who speaks. The Word was he who created the World in the beginning and was made flesh to live among us (see John 1:14).
We are created in the image of God for they have an awesome plan in store for us! In the future we will be given eternal life and become members of the Elohim kind... or the God Family! We will be higher than the angels and will actually judge them.
The leaders of many Christian denominations continue to teach their members that they must accept the dictates of the scholars who attended the 4th and 5th century Nicene councils. It was those scholars who tried to reconcile different prevailing beliefs of their time by inventing the notion that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are somehow crammed into one single shape and form.
Those councils put the beliefs down as essential based on tradition as well as scripture. mormonism and other heresies have attempted to teach other doctrines since then.
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The Lord's apostles did not teach that, though I admit you could probably twist and spin verses from the bible to support such a doctrine even though it's so confusing and impossible to rationally understand that it has to ultimately be explained off as "a mystery."
Of course they taught that. The Gospel of John is full of references to Christ's divinity.
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God the Father, His son Jesus Christ, and another son we call the "Holy Ghost" (because of his primary role) form the godhead similar to a father on earth who makes himself president of a family corporation and appoints two of his sons as vice presidents could form the presidency of an organization with a single purpose or mission. All three of them could be considered "one" in mind and purpose, to move that mission forward.
Yet, scripture refers to them as "God". We also know from reading Isaiah 42 that God will not share his glory with another. There is 1 God....3 persons.
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You don't need to create a mystery to understand that.
The best scripture for me to gain understanding is Isaiah 9:6.
Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version)
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Dear Shawn71, please look at that verse in the Septuagine (LXX) and it will be seen it says quite differently:
Isa 9:6 For a Boy is born to us; a Son is given to us, and the chieftainship shall come to be on His shoulder, and His name is called "Marvelous. Counsel to the master shall He bring, to the chief of the future, welfare."
Dear Shawn71, please look at that verse in the Septuagine (LXX) and it will be seen it says quite differently:
Isa 9:6 For a Boy is born to us; a Son is given to us, and the chieftainship shall come to be on His shoulder, and His name is called "Marvelous. Counsel to the master shall He bring, to the chief of the future, welfare."
Thanks for posting that Eusebius. It does put a new light on the subject.
In John's gospel Jesus told Mary after He arose from the dead not to touch Him. He then said to tell the disciples He is ascending to His Father and their Father and His God and their God (John 20:17).
Jesus was simply saying from the standpoint of his humanity that His Father is also their Father, and that his God is also their God.
The dispensation of the Church was going to occur shortly. Some 50 days after Christ was resurrected the Church Age did begin. Now, in this dispensation, whenever a person believes in Jesus Christ for salvation, God the Holy Spirit enters that person into union with Christ. That's why we're called Christians. We are in Christ. This placing us into union with Christ is called the Baptism of The Holy Spirit. Since we are in union with Christ, we share all that He is and all that He has. Among other things, we share his sonship. We are sons of God by virtue of sharing his sonship. We also share his heirship, his priesthood, his destiny, his eternal life, his righteousness. All these things we share by being in union with regard to his humanity. So, to head off anyone that might ask; no, we do not share his deity. We are not gods. (notice the little g)[/quote]
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Now then, if Jesus is saying He is going to where His God is and is going to where the disciple's God is, does it not stand to reason that Jesus, in the absolute sense, is not the disciple's God and therefore is not our God?
See above
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Yet there are a couple verses which declare Jesus to be God. Yet there are a couple verses in the Bible which declare certain Israelites to be God (John 10:34; Psa.82:6) and did not God in the O.T. tell Moses that Moses is God and Aaron his prophet? (Ex.7:1).
Jesus Christ is God. Now, in ancient Israel, people who were in a position of authority were sometimes referred to as gods.(little g) This in no way inplied deity. It was simply a designation that was sometimes used for people who were in a position to exercise control or authority over people.
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So in what sense is Jesus "God"? It is in the sense that He is the One God has placed over the universe as the Subjector (which is what "God" or "Theos" or "Elohim" means).
But Jesus is the only One Who perfectly mirrors the Father and is worthy of worship.
Jesus Christ is eternal and infinite God. Co-equal and Co-eternal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
Possible explanations:
1. Trinity has never meant to be understood.
When people can't understand something then they afraid.. Scary..
2. A lot of Gods is other idea. You can pray to Goddess Virgin Mary, or God Gabriel, or God Jesus, or God Joseph Smith, or ... Catholicism and Orthodox church have a bunch of Gods like that. Top ranking priests (Archbishops and Pop) are Half-Gods. You can pray to all of them, and they all need money!
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