It's impossible for us not to sin! (Jacob, Mary, New Testament)

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by trettep

Verna, my darling. Leave the contentious to the contentious. Know that I desire the great words you have spoken here. I know we don't see our utimate fate in unison, but I love our desire for our Lord's way.

I hope you will consider my words on the other matters that are close to my heart that I might gain you in that regard.

I know we disregard there but I know as I see you, I know you are mine.

Love your brother in Christ,

Paul

Dear Paul... Ref. to "other matters": I will never sway left nor right in my belief in keeping the Ten Commandments of God...including keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy unto God...never, ever, ever, never , ever...and I will NEVER!!!!...EVER!!!!...EVER!!! believe that ALL will see their salvation, as much as I wish in my heart it were so...it isn't what God's Word teaches...at all...if one dies in their sin...in their sin they will remain and die...and sin does not have a place in heaven...never will...and according to God's Word...there's no second chance somewhere down the road after you die, to change your mind after you leave this earth...this is it, in the here and the now...Paul...the responses you have just recently posted concerning...well..everything you have posted as of late, is right on the mark...you understand, but your enlightenment ceases there...your belief in UR just doesn't do it for me...it's a lie....my brother's and my sister's in Christ are those who do the will of Our Father in Heaven...by keeping His Commandments, not excluding the 4th...and not willfully transgressing any part of the Law of God...is that you Paul?...I only pray someday it will be so. But you cannot keep teaching God's people that everyone will see their salvation whether they die in their their sin or not...that is a false gospel.

I wish...I hope...I pray so much that you will realize your grave error in this belief (UR)...you're so close...I just know that God is able to bring you fully in, if YOU WILL...and this is my prayer for you dear friend. May God Bless you Paul...may He Bless your socks off!!!......with the Spirit of Truth!

In Christ's love...In His truth,
Verna.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

Richard...what on earth are you struggling so hard for?...what is it that you want to hear...?...not for one second do I think you are not aware of these following verses...nor do I think you do not know how one becomes a "New Creation...?"...so what is it with you? What is it you are trying so desperately to prove?...or...disprove...?...Seriously...where are you coming from...?

2 Corinthians 5:

17Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation. The old way of living has disappeared. A new way of living has come into existence.

18 God has done all this. He has restored our relationship with him through Christ, and has given us this ministry of restoring relationships.
19 In other words, God was using Christ to restore his relationship with humanity. He didn't hold people's faults against them, and he has given us this message of restored relationships to tell others.

20Therefore, we are Christ's representatives, and through us God is calling you. We beg you on behalf of Christ to become reunited with God.
21 God had Christ, who was sinless, take our sin so that we might receive God's approval through him.



Revelation 3:
14"To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: The amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the source of God's creation, says:

15I know what you have done, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or hot.
16 But since you are lukewarm and not hot or cold, I'm going to spit you out of my mouth.
17 You say, 'I'm rich. I'm wealthy. I don't need anything.' Yet, you do not realize that you are miserable, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked.
18 I advise you: Buy gold purified in fire from me so that you may be rich. Buy white clothes from me. Wear them so that you may keep your shameful, naked body from showing. Buy ointment to put on your eyes so that you may see.
19 I correct and discipline everyone I love. Take this seriously, and change the way you think and act.
20 Look, I'm standing at the door and knocking. If anyone listens to my voice and opens the door, I'll come in and we'll eat together.
21 I will allow everyone who wins the victory to sit with me on my throne, as I have won the victory and have sat down with my Father on his throne.
22 Let the person who has ears listen to what the Spirit says to the churches."
Romans 8:23 However, not only creation groans. We, who have the Spirit as the first of God's gifts, also groan inwardly. We groan as we eagerly wait for our adoption, the freeing of our bodies [from sin].

In Christ's love..In His truth,
Verna.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

The above says nothing regarding freeing from sin...it says redemption of our body...I am not struggling, i will not sit idley by while i see people twist the Truth and lead others away from that Truth back into bondage...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

Dear Paul... Ref. to "other matters": I will never sway left nor right in my belief in keeping the Ten Commandments of God...including keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy unto God...never, ever, ever, never , ever...and I will NEVER!!!!...EVER!!!!...EVER!!! believe that ALL will see their salvation, as much as I wish in my heart it were so...it isn't what God's Word teaches...at all...if one dies in their sin...in their sin they will remain and die...and sin does not have a place in heaven...never will...and according to God's Word...there's no second chance somewhere down the road after you die, to change your mind after you leave this earth...this is it, in the here and the now...Paul...the responses you have just recently posted concerning...well..everything you have posted as of late, is right on the mark...you understand, but your enlightenment ceases there...your belief in UR just doesn't do it for me...it's a lie....my brother's and my sister's in Christ are those who do the will of Our Father in Heaven...by keeping His Commandments, not excluding the 4th...and not willfully transgressing any part of the Law of God...is that you Paul?...I only pray someday it will be so. But you cannot keep teaching God's people that everyone will see their salvation whether they die in their their sin or not...that is a false gospel.

I wish...I hope...I pray so much that you will realize your grave error in this belief (UR)...you're so close...I just know that God is able to bring you fully in, if YOU WILL...and this is my prayer for you dear friend. May God Bless you Paul...may He Bless your socks off!!!......with the Spirit of Truth!

In Christ's love...In His truth,
Verna.

Take a good look at this. Who was he talking to and why? What was going on here?

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[trettep]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

Dear Paul... Ref. to "other matters": I will never sway left nor right in my belief in keeping the Ten Commandments of God...including keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy unto God...never, ever, ever, never , ever...and I will NEVER!!!!...EVER!!!!...EVER!!! believe that ALL will see their salvation, as much as I wish in my heart it were so...it isn't what God's Word teaches...at all...if one dies in their sin...in their sin they will remain and die...and sin does not have a place in heaven...never will...and according to God's Word...there's no second chance somewhere down the road after you die, to change your mind after you leave this earth...this is it, in the here and the now...Paul...the responses you have just recently posted concerning...well..everything you have posted as of late, is right on the mark...you understand, but your enlightenment ceases there...your belief in UR just doesn't do it for me...it's a lie....my brother's and my sister's in Christ are those who do the will of Our Father in Heaven...by keeping His Commandments, not excluding the 4th...and not willfully transgressing any part of the Law of God...is that you Paul?...I only pray someday it will be so. But you cannot keep teaching God's people that everyone will see their salvation whether they die in their their sin or not...that is a false gospel.

I wish...I hope...I pray so much that you will realize your grave error in this belief (UR)...you're so close...I just know that God is able to bring you fully in, if YOU WILL...and this is my prayer for you dear friend. May God Bless you Paul...may He Bless your socks off!!!......with the Spirit of Truth!

In Christ's love...In His truth,
Verna.

I have to teach UR, Verna. There is no other way it can result without Death or Sin getting a victory.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by trettep

I have to teach UR, Verna. There is no other way it can result without Death or Sin getting a victory.

But Paul...God's Word clearly teaches us that we cannot consider ourselves born-again if we continue to sin...and if not born-again, in this life, we will not see God...

1 John 3:
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 John 5:
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John 5:
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 1:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

...and Paul, God's Word teaches us that if we want Him to abide in us and us in Him...if we say we know Him and love Him, and can honestly proclaim that He knows and loves us, we should keep His Ten Commandments...not nine...Ten...and if we say we know Him and love Him and keepeth not His commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us...

John 19:
3 Since it was Friday and the next day was an especially important day of worship, the Jews didn't want the bodies to stay on the crosses. So they asked Pilate to have the men's legs broken and their bodies removed.(GWT)

or

John 19:
3 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.(KJV)

Isaiah 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Mark 16:
1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luke 23:
56 Then they went back to the city and prepared spices and perfumes. But on the day of worship they rested according to the commandment.

Matthew 28:
1 After the day of worship, as the sun rose Sunday morning, Mary from Magdala and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

2 Corinthians 15:
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Exodus 31:
15 You may work for six days, but the seventh day is a day of worship, a day when you don't work. It is holy to the LORD. Whoever works on that day must be put to death.

Leviticus 23:
28 Don't do any work that day. It is a special day for the payment for sins. It is a time when you make peace with the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 5:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Leviticus 23:
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

...Paul...how can you account for ignoring the Word of God in 1. being born again before death in order to see God...and 2. keeping the Sabbath holy unto God...?...

...there us no way you can ignore these words...unless you are in total denial and in total rebellion against the Word of the Living God......and this makes me really, really sad for anyone who attempts to do so.

In Christ's love...In His truth,
Verna.

[hilgi]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

Take a good look at this. Who was he talking to and why? What was going on here?

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Nice, not just a bunch of random verses that are taken out of context! An actual reading of the word.

Take out the verse numbers and it would be better. :-)

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

But Paul...God's Word clearly teaches us that we cannot consider ourselves born-again if we continue to sin...and if not born-again, in this life, we will not see God...

1 John 3:
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 John 5:
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John 5:
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 1:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

...and Paul, God's Word teaches us that if we want Him to abide in us and us in Him...if we say we know Him and love Him, and can honestly proclaim that He knows and loves us, we should keep His Ten Commandments...not nine...Ten...and if we say we know Him and love Him and keepeth not His commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us...

John 19:
3 Since it was Friday and the next day was an especially important day of worship, the Jews didn't want the bodies to stay on the crosses. So they asked Pilate to have the men's legs broken and their bodies removed.(GWT)

or

John 19:
3 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.(KJV)

Isaiah 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Mark 16:
1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luke 23:
56 Then they went back to the city and prepared spices and perfumes. But on the day of worship they rested according to the commandment.

Matthew 28:
1 After the day of worship, as the sun rose Sunday morning, Mary from Magdala and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

2 Corinthians 15:
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Exodus 31:
15 You may work for six days, but the seventh day is a day of worship, a day when you don't work. It is holy to the LORD. Whoever works on that day must be put to death.

Leviticus 23:
28 Don't do any work that day. It is a special day for the payment for sins. It is a time when you make peace with the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 5:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Leviticus 23:
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

...Paul...how can you account for ignoring the Word of God in 1. being born again before death in order to see God...and 2. keeping the Sabbath holy unto God...?...

...there us no way you can ignore these words...unless you are in total denial and in total rebellion against the Word of the Living God......and this makes me really, really sad for anyone who attempts to do so.

In Christ's love...In His truth,
Verna.

Then Apostle Paul was not born from above...so, maybe he was a false Apostle...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by hilgi

Nice, not just a bunch of random verses that are taken out of context! An actual reading of the word.

Take out the verse numbers and it would be better. :-)

Verses and chapters did not come into being until sometime in the middle ages...They are after all just letters to the Churches and referenced scripture which was the OT...so, technically when they speak of the scriptures in the NT they are not speaking of the NT itself but the OT...

[cl723]

Richard and Hilgi, this is how I see most of this thread. 2 Tim 3:1-9, 13

[hilgi]

Originally Posted by cl723

Richard and Hilgi, this is how I see most of this thread. 2 Tim 3:1-9, 13

Sadly, I agree.