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Old 09-01-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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And when it's all said done, it was your choice to believe, or not to believe true? Chances are if I'm wrong, hurt nothing right? And if you're wrong.......you have enjoyed yourself while "living life" right now have'nt you?

So in reality, it's a win win situation for you regardless huh? Okay, carry on.

And what is wrong with living life? I fit the mold for a "christian" life. Married to one man...never been with another man (or woman!) no stealing, or killing, blah blah blah....I'm good to my fellow human beings, pay my taxes, love my kids and my pets too! The only thing qualifying me for hell is my thought pattern. The fact that I can't bring myself to believe the bible. So many will be sent to hell (if it were true that is) just for what we THINK!!! That would be like me punishing my kid for THINKING about doing something bad. Or going to jail for THINKING about stealing a car....how silly!
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:58 PM
 
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And what is wrong with living life? I fit the mold for a "christian" life. Married to one man...never been with another man (or woman!) no stealing, or killing, blah blah blah....I'm good to my fellow human beings, pay my taxes, love my kids and my pets too! The only thing qualifying me for hell is my thought pattern. The fact that I can't bring myself to believe the bible. So many will be sent to hell (if it were true that is) just for what we THINK!!! That would be like me punishing my kid for THINKING about doing something bad. Or going to jail for THINKING about stealing a car....how silly!

What religious people refuse to see is that you see and accept Christ just not to their satisfaction.
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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And what is wrong with living life? I fit the mold for a "christian" life. Married to one man...never been with another man (or woman!) no stealing, or killing, blah blah blah....I'm good to my fellow human beings, pay my taxes, love my kids and my pets too! The only thing qualifying me for hell is my thought pattern. The fact that I can't bring myself to believe the bible. So many will be sent to hell (if it were true that is) just for what we THINK!!! That would be like me punishing my kid for THINKING about doing something bad. Or going to jail for THINKING about stealing a car....how silly!

Good thoughts, good deeds.....if you think that's enough, if you are convinced that "you've got it all wrap up in in a nutshell", then carry on. Who am I to argue with that? I'll be here if and when you discover else wise.
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:28 PM
 
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What religious people refuse to see is that you see and accept Christ just not to their satisfaction.
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:35 PM
 
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No, what some PEOPLE refuse to see is, that you see and BELIEVE, Christ IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS!!!!! End of story! I am who I am! The Beginning and the End! The Alpha and Omega! The First and the Last! The Final Authority!

and some of us are okay with that........know what I mean?
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:56 PM
 
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No, what some PEOPLE refuse to see is, that you see and BELIEVE, Christ IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS!!!!! End of story! I am who I am! The Beginning and the End! The Alpha and Omega! The First and the Last! The Final Authority!

and some of us are okay with that........know what I mean?


You're making my point.

Your not satisfied that someone does see who he is, but you will not acknowledge the way they see it.
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:45 PM
 
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Good thoughts, good deeds.....if you think that's enough, if you are convinced that "you've got it all wrap up in in a nutshell", then carry on. Who am I to argue with that? I'll be here if and when you discover else wise.

It should be enough. How dumb is it to punish someone for their thoughts. If that is how god is, then he sucks in the worst kind of way.
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:54 PM
 
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It should be enough. How dumb is it to punish someone for their thoughts. If that is how god is, then he sucks in the worst kind of way.
I think sometimes people forget why in fact Jesus came to die for us.
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:56 PM
 
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No, what some PEOPLE refuse to see is, that you see and BELIEVE, Christ IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS!!!!! End of story! I am who I am! The Beginning and the End! The Alpha and Omega! The First and the Last! The Final Authority!

and some of us are okay with that........know what I mean?

It pains me to think that such a loving man Jesus would leave the path to salvation so indeterminate. There are thousands of different beliefs other than Christianity... within Christianity there are different doctrines and interpretations of scripture. From what I see it is that one's salvation depends on the "luck of the draw" in happening to come across the correct belief their life... It saddens me to see multitudes of people following a belief and never actually truly questioning or understanding it.

For every Religion it always boils down to "faith". How can a Muslim, Jew, and Christian all claim to have such strong faith yet each one views the other as wrong? You can not say that anothers faith is wrong by using your own faith... There must be SOMETHING undeniable about your belief to make it true and the others false which does not require "faith".

Just because you feel/hope/wish it to be true does not make it true.

If the God of the Christians exists I would only ask him to show himself to the world in a constant and undeniable way in the present... not 2000 years ago. Saying something existential like "God is love", "God is nature", "You are made in Gods image" does not count. But I do not see anything different. Only wonderful hand waving of people saying that we are blind to the truth.

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Old 09-01-2009, 09:23 PM
 
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I think sometimes people forget why in fact Jesus came to die for us.

Maybe to clean up the mess that he made in the first place?!
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