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Old 08-29-2009, 06:56 AM
 
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Is there any evidence in scripture to support the idea of forgiveness of sins AFTER death? (Post resurrection).

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Old 08-29-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.


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Old 08-29-2009, 07:47 AM
 
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Is there any evidence in scripture to support the idea of forgiveness of sins AFTER death? (Post resurrection).

Paul
Only those before the flood.

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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Only those before the flood.
So the unchanging God has changed His mind?
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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Can it be shown that Bowing and confessing Jesus as Lord through the Holy spirit is not enough?
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Old 08-29-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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Only those before the flood.

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Jesus Christ wasn't preaching in the way that we think of preaching. He was proclaiming to all the fallen angels who were imprisoned in Tartarus that He had won the strategic victory over Satan at the cross, and that they were unsuccessful in their attempt to destroy true humanity in the antediluvian world with the angelic infiltration of the human race which resulted in the Nephilim. Gen 6:4; 1 Peter 3:19,20.

Because they were imprisoned, these fallen angels had been unaware of the unfolding events taking place in the angelic conflict, and so Jesus Christ told them that their leader, Satan, had failed and that their imprisonment in Tartarus would continue until such time as they were transferred to the lake of fire.

There are no verses that tell us that sin is forgiven after death. AND, sin isn't the issue anyway because all sin was judged by God and paid for by Christ on the cross. So the issue is, will you choose to believe in Christ for salvation or not. And that choice is given to you only while you are physicaly alive on this earth. After death, the issue is settled and your eternal destination is certain.
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Old 08-29-2009, 09:48 AM
 
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There are no verses that tell us that sin is forgiven after death. AND, sin isn't the issue anyway because all sin was judged by God and paid for by Christ on the cross. So the issue is, will you choose to believe in Christ for salvation or not. And that choice is given to you only while you are physicaly alive on this earth. After death, the issue is settled and your eternal destination is certain.
But there is more than sufficient scripture that declares that 1) God wants all men to be saved, and 2) Our will is grass, and His will is supreme.

Oh, and 3) God will have all men to be saved.

Some say it's wrong to take scripture and add the subject matter together to form a belief, but to that I would ask: Which scripture is wrong? Any scripture that is refuted makes God out to be less than He is - and that's idolatry.
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Old 08-29-2009, 09:52 AM
 
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19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.


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Why appeal? Why implore? Why do this on Christ's behalf, when it is all said and done anyway? Still sounds like there is choice when Paul says,,"BE RECONCILED TO GOD".
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Old 08-29-2009, 09:56 AM
 
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Why appeal? Why implore? Why do this on Christ's behalf, when it is all said and done anyway? Still sounds like there is choice when Paul says,,"BE RECONCILED TO GOD".
Why do you think ? . Why do you think Jesus said "it is finished" ?

He's accomplished at the cross the way back to God for man , we are ambassadors of this good news . All will come just like Jesus said "If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me" .How wonderful How marvellous is the Savior's love for the world.


What are you doing ? telling the world God is not counting their sins against them ? or telling them God is counting their sins against them ?

One of them is good news which leads to repentance (Romans 2 : 4) the other condemns you and causes you to run from God

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Old 08-29-2009, 10:47 AM
 
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But there is more than sufficient scripture that declares that 1) God wants all men to be saved, and 2) Our will is grass, and His will is supreme.

Oh, and 3) God will have all men to be saved.

Some say it's wrong to take scripture and add the subject matter together to form a belief, but to that I would ask: Which scripture is wrong? Any scripture that is refuted makes God out to be less than He is - and that's idolatry.
Yes. God wants all men to be saved. It is Gods will that All men be saved. But it also Gods will that all men use their God given volition to make the decision as to whether or not they will accept Gods offer of salvation.

It was Gods sovereign will that we have free will for the very purpose of making that decision. And God absolutely does not interfere with anyones volition and subsequent choice as to making the choice of believing or not believing in Christ for salvation.

By a sovereign act of God, man has free will to make a choice for or against Him.

God wants us to have a relationship with Him, but HE wants US to WANT to have a relationship with Him. And if anyone doesn't want to have a relationship with Him, then, despite His desire for that person to be saved, He allows that person to have his choice and to remain in a fallen state.
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