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If a person is given the ability to be like god, in His image and yet not be able to save its own soul, how would then God expect to condemn to eternal banishment?
He doesn't!
He never intended for us to have the power to save ourselves, but for us to try anyway.
Trying in the struggle is where good is born.
And good is the goal intended.
We are then free to try without eternal banishment.
Comments?
Blessings, AJ
Last edited by Bo; 09-07-2009 at 04:32 PM..
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If a person is given the ability to be like god, in His image and yet not be able to save its own soul, how would then God expect to condemn to eternal banishment?
He doesn't!
It says we were made in his image, nowhere does it say we can be God like.
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He never intended for us to have the power to save ourselves, but for us to try anyway.
Right, except that he doesn't expect us to try to save ourselves, but rather turn to him for our salvation. There is a difference, and it is a huge difference.
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Trying in the struggle is where good is born.
And good is the goal intended.
No it is not the goal. The goal is to follow his instructions, not just try to be good.
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We are then free to try without eternal banishment.
Comments?
Blessings, AJ
Comments? I think you are sincere, but sincerely wrong in your interpretation. It is actually quite simple, and quite simply spelled out.
It says we were made in his image, nowhere does it say we can be God like.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
If you are the responsible individual of your own life, then you are a god unto yourself.
What ever you desire you can have at a price.
In our case, the price was death.
But Jesus took care of that for us, so that now, we are blessed or cured by our own hand.
It does NOT say we are like God. It says we have the capacity to know good and evil like God. That is not a blanket endorsement that we are in all things God like. We do NOT have the ability to save ourselves, outside the directions God has given us.
Your argument would hold that everybody born after Jesus death is automatically saved if they try even a little to be a good person; and that everybody born before Jesus' death would be condemned because the price wasn't paid yet. Or that they are saved due to their own death, at which point you make the death of Jesus to be unnecessary because the route to salvation was already there in the individual persons death. Those makes no sense and are contrary to plain and simple teachings.
It does NOT say we are like God. It says we have the capacity to know good and evil like God. That is not a blanket endorsement that we are in all things God like. We do NOT have the ability to save ourselves, outside the directions God has given us.
Your argument would hold that everybody born after Jesus death is automatically saved if they try even a little to be a good person; and that everybody born before Jesus' death would be condemned because the price wasn't paid yet. Or that they are saved due to their own death, at which point you make the death of Jesus to be unnecessary because the route to salvation was already there in the individual persons death. Those makes no sense and are contrary to plain and simple teachings.
" Like god" is being like Him, or in His image.
Would it be the same as saying, conforming to Christ as Christlike?
Everybody born before Christ were held in a holding place, for atonement for their sin had not yet been made.
But when Jesus did make atonement for their sins, they were all freed to go to heaven.
They lived and died never having heard of God, much less Jesus, yet Jesus visited them in prison (hell) as understood.
If we never heard of Jesus, yet we lived, our souls were still paid for by Christ.
Mean while, we pay for our own sins here on earth via penalty or forfeiting life.
Simplicity is the cross and Him crucified.
They lived and died never having heard of God, much less Jesus, yet Jesus visited them in prison (hell) as understood.
If the israelites died never hearing of god, then who in the world did Moses worship and everyone else? Who performed those miracles?
And if jesus was god himself then how did he resurrect himself after his crucifixion? It doesn't make any sense! Religion is full of
mis-interpretations and lies. Shouldn't this be in another forum??????????
sure he gave us the ability to save ourselves. when i cross the against the red and i am hit, did god strike me down?
In the physical, yes, you are right, but not in the spiritual realm.
Without Gods help spiritually, do you have the power to save your own soul from eternal non-existent?
Blessings, AJ
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