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Old 09-04-2009, 10:07 AM
 
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Saul, (future paul) never killed and ate anyone.
He never had sex with the heads of people he kept in the freezer.

So while Paul might call himself the worst sinner, we dont have to agree with that.
We know of worse...worse by far.
So it sounds like you are saying Jesus only forgives the "nice" sins (maybe like telling a white lie or coveting your neighbor's belonging), but the really nasty sins (like what you described), nope God can't overlook those. Interesting viewpoint, but its highly unscriptural.

Anyway I thought Saul had actually killed and persecuted Christians previously. Though I suppose you are right on one point, I don't think he ate anyone.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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No one said powerless God gives plenty of opportunity to be saved but also gave us free will to choose!!


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You may not realize it, but you have just said God is powerless to our "free" will.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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So it sounds like you are saying Jesus only forgives the "nice" sins (maybe like telling a white lie or coveting your neighbor's belonging), but the really nasty sins (like what you described), nope God can't overlook those. Interesting viewpoint, but its highly unscriptural.

Anyway I thought Saul had actually killed and persecuted Christians previously. Though I suppose you are right on one point, I don't think he ate anyone.

Yes, Saul comitted the nice sins so God could convert him.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Rapid City, SD
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You may not realize it, but you have just said God is powerless to our "free" will.
Stop changing words!! I said that God GAVE us free will not that he is powerless against it. This is the ignorance of people being led astray by satan!!!


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Old 09-04-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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Stop changing words!! I said that God GAVE us free will not that he is powerless against it. This is the ignorance of people being led astray by satan!!!


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What prevents the names you mentioned from realizing their sin, repenting and coming to God at some point and time?
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:22 AM
 
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Stop changing words!! I said that God GAVE us free will not that he is powerless against it. This is the ignorance of people being led astray by satan!!!


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I'm not changing any words. Please correct me if I am wrong and clarify your viewpoint, but my understanding of what you said is this: God gave us free will, therefore God is powerless to do anything that would violate our free will. ie. if some one rejects God of their own free will, God is powerless to do anything about it. Basically man has ultimate veto power, not God.

Is that or is that not what you believe?

Or maybe you believe God "respects" our free will decision to reject him, so just lets us burn for eternity in hell. With this view, you could argue God is not powerless, but He's not exactly responsible or all-loving either.

Should I "respect" my 4-year old daughter's "free will decision" to run out into traffic and play in the street? Would that be the responsible, good, and loving thing to do?
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Rapid City, SD
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What prevents the names you mentioned from realizing their sin, repenting and coming to God at some point and time?
Nothing but you obviously agree that to be saved you must change your sinning ways. ALL SINS!!!! White lies included!!!


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Old 09-04-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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So their evil is more powerful than Gods redemption?
Their evil was greater than Paul's...

so although Paul might call himself the chief of all sinners, trust me, he was not even in their class...
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Rapid City, SD
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I'm not changing any words. Please correct me if I am wrong and clarify your viewpoint, but my understanding of what you said is this: God gave us free will, therefore God is powerless to do anything that would violate our free will. ie. if some one rejects God of their own free will, God is powerless to do anything about it. Basically man has ultimate veto power, not God.

Is that or is that not what you believe?

Or maybe you believe God "respects" our free will decision to reject him, so just lets us burn for eternity in hell. With this view, you could argue God is not powerless, but He's not exactly responsible or all-loving either.

Should I "respect" my 4-year old daughter's "free will decision" to run out into traffic and play in the street? Would that be the responsible, good, and loving thing to do?
I should have made it clear that I am not an ETer. I believe that the wage of sin is death. Not eternal torment!!! And God voilates our free will constantly by changing our thoughts. But if you are truly one of God then the Holy Spirit will lead you into righteousness!!!


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Old 09-04-2009, 10:29 AM
 
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Nothing but you obviously agree that to be saved you must change your sinning ways. ALL SINS!!!! White lies included!!!


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ALMOST2L8

Yes, I have never taught otherwise, the above truth does not prevent God from seeking it for everyone until it is found in everyone.
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