How can all be saved when jesus said...... (agnostic, Holy Ghost, Agnosticism)

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

Neither does it say what you are trying to make it say.

What I am saying is what it says. It is a declaration of what it takes to get in and what won't be allowed in.

Just because there is a clause for what will not be allowed, does not inherantly mean "some will not enter" in the sense that for all eternity there is someone who will never enter.

Are you saying that if everyone did the will of the father there would still be some excluded?

Well, lets see what is there?

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

I have to prove what Jesus is saying? Where does it say that some will at some point enter?

Let's find a point of agreement if we can. I agree that not everyone who says "Lord Lord" will get in. I have no reason to object to that. I also have no reason to object to believing that "he who does the will of Jesus father in heaven" will enter.


So if I come to Jesus and I have not been doing the will of the father and say "Lord Lord" Look at what I did in your name" I know I will not get in.

But I have no reason to believe that is the final act. If after that I do the will of the father, then what prevents me from entering.

If I learn my lesson and change and conform to his will, what prevents it.

I think of what is entirely possible, All things are possible. Perhaps doing the will of the father will not get me in. But I have no reason at this point to think that.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

We go over this over and over. You refuse to take one over another.

Well, lets see

"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life."
John 5:39

We see this even today, as the people of Jesus times, who as he said refused to come to Him, they were foolish and actually thought they could posses eternal life without comeing to Him. UMMMMM, I guess I made that one up also.

So, I have to prove that Jesus meant what He said.

Jesus was saying to a specific people at that time, but this is what He as saying to them. They refused to come to Him, not my words, His.

What prevents them from coming to him at a later time?

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

What prevents them from coming to him at a later time?

Where does it say that?

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

The only reason I used the translation because I found many UR's, attacking the english version that I used, and they say, use the Hebrew and Greek language. Little did they know, I actually knew it. But when I provided it, they then attack what they couldn't read. If you can't read it, why tell someone to provide it, if you can't understand. Does not make any sense.

What I provided was correct. I am not forcing anyone to believe what I provided, that is why it is valuable to understand it for yourself.

So, as I tell UR's, they can't pick on any translation issues, because what they use is really being debated. They are useing a bible that all if not every word had been changed to sound friendly.

So, they can't argue about the translation issue, unless they can actually debate with you when you translate the language. That is all I am saying.

I agree but then again when you translate it and take out all the greek words and read the sentence... it made the phrase grammatically incorrect which also made the portion you addressed seem to mean what you said it meant. But when the sentence is put forth in the correct order, it reads as the english bible... so it wasn't the greek language I wasn't getting it was how you translated each word without regard to where they went in the sentence. then used that to prove your point. Dangling participles!!!

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

What I am saying is what it says. It is a declaration of what it takes to get in and what won't be allowed in.

Just because there is a clause for what will not be allowed, does not inherantly mean "some will not enter" in the sense that for all eternity there is someone who will never enter.

Are you saying that if everyone did the will of the father there would still be some excluded?





Let's find a point of agreement if we can. I agree that not everyone who says "Lord Lord" will get in. I have no reason to object to that. I also have no reason to object to believing that "he who does the will of Jesus father in heaven" will enter.


So if I come to Jesus and I have not been doing the will of the father and say "Lord Lord" Look at what I did in your name" I know I will not get in.

But I have no reason to believe that is the final act. If after that I do the will of the father, then what prevents me from entering.

If I learn my lesson and change and conform to his will, what prevents it.

I think of what is entirely possible, All things are possible. Perhaps doing the will of the father will not get me in. But I have no reason at this point to think that.

Honestly, I am getting sleepy and kind of tired.

I don't put what I think or want to think, I simply read what is there. I am not trying to send anyone to hell, I am only reading what is there.

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

This is what is in scripture, There are ones who will say Lord Lord, ( Not everyone shall enter the Kingdom)

But then we have (but) the ones who does the will of the Father will enter. Who ever does the will of the Father will enter. But those does not will not. The scripture says who ever, not all.

UMMM, I can't say that there will be some who eventually does the will because it does not say that. It says not everyone will enter, But who does the will. Who ever.

[ALMOST2L8]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

What I am saying is what it says. It is a declaration of what it takes to get in and what won't be allowed in.

Just because there is a clause for what will not be allowed, does not inherantly mean "some will not enter" in the sense that for all eternity there is someone who will never enter.

Are you saying that if everyone did the will of the father there would still be some excluded?





Let's find a point of agreement if we can. I agree that not everyone who says "Lord Lord" will get in. I have no reason to object to that. I also have no reason to object to believing that "he who does the will of Jesus father in heaven" will enter.


So if I come to Jesus and I have not been doing the will of the father and say "Lord Lord" Look at what I did in your name" I know I will not get in.

But I have no reason to believe that is the final act. If after that I do the will of the father, then what prevents me from entering.

If I learn my lesson and change and conform to his will, what prevents it.

I think of what is entirely possible, All things are possible. Perhaps doing the will of the father will not get me in. But I have no reason at this point to think that.

OK does what you are saying mean that everyone will eventually do the will of the father before they die here and now in this life?? Or are some (or all) going to have eternity to do his will?? (like after this life)


GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

Where does it say that?

I am not saying scripture says that directly, I asked you a question about what you wrote.

But, if God Desires all men to be saved and God is the final authority and if God will do all his desire then I would like to know what prevents God from doing all his desire that he is the final authority for.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

Honestly, I am getting sleepy and kind of tired.

I don't put what I think or want to think, I simply read what is there. I am not trying to send anyone to hell, I am only reading what is there.

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

This is what is in scripture, There are ones who will say Lord Lord, ( Not everyone shall enter the Kingdom)

This is what is in scripture too

1Ti 2:4 Who desires all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 46:10 Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, and from aforetime, what has not yet been done. Saying, `All My counsel shall be confirmed, and all My desire will I do.'

[trettep]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

This is what is in scripture too

1Ti 2:4 Who desires all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 46:10 Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, and from aforetime, what has not yet been done. Saying, `All My counsel shall be confirmed, and all My desire will I do.'

Praise God! For we have been given the understanding to know that God is ALL Powerful - and who can prevent Him from accomplishing His will? - nobody - not man - not anything. Listen to the unbelievers who preach that God is NOT almighty - wanting us to believe the the evil in man is enough to thwart the power of the Almight God - they have their reward.

Paul

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

This is what is in scripture too

1Ti 2:4 Who desires all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 46:10 Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, and from aforetime, what has not yet been done. Saying, `All My counsel shall be confirmed, and all My desire will I do.'

I already went over this. Yes, God desires that all men to be saved He died for all, but as I have shown you, all will not come to Jesus.

"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life."
John 5:39