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Old 11-15-2016, 06:56 PM
 
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There is a great deal in the bible talking about things that are not in the bible. Jesus uses the stories of Zebulun and Issachar over and over but these stories aren't in the bible. Revelation speaks of merchant sailors in a boat upon the sea, and it is clearly referencing a well known concept that even the Koran speak of that Zebulun and Isaachar are the two merchant sailors who help each other, one side of the boat is for gold, and the other side of the boat is for becoming a priest.


The story of Peter jumping from the boat coming to the beach where Jesus asked him 3 times,'' Do you love me?''


This story is lost on people who do not know the ancient concepts of Zebulun, Judah and Issachar. You would be very surprised if you found out just how much you are reading that comes from ancient Jewish concepts that you never heard of.


You can stick with the bible and get through life, but if you want to understand it, you are going to have to seek MUCH, MUCH further outside the bible and inside Jewish tradition.


Because you have never heard the story of Isaachar and Zebulun, you wouldn't believe just how much you don't get from the new Testament.
RESPONSE: So are you admitting we are dealing with a fictional story that is not in the Bible?
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Old 11-15-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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There is a great deal in the bible talking about things that are not in the bible. Jesus uses the stories of Zebulun and Issachar over and over but these stories aren't in the bible. Revelation speaks of merchant sailors in a boat upon the sea, and it is clearly referencing a well known concept that even the Koran speak of that Zebulun and Isaachar are the two merchant sailors who help each other, one side of the boat is for gold, and the other side of the boat is for becoming a priest.


The story of Peter jumping from the boat coming to the beach where Jesus asked him 3 times,'' Do you love me?''


This story is lost on people who do not know the ancient concepts of Zebulun, Judah and Issachar. You would be very surprised if you found out just how much you are reading that comes from ancient Jewish concepts that you never heard of.


You can stick with the bible and get through life, but if you want to understand it, you are going to have to seek MUCH, MUCH further outside the bible and inside Jewish tradition.


Because you have never heard the story of Isaachar and Zebulun, you wouldn't believe just how much you don't get from the new Testament.
QUESTION: Exactly where in the New Testament will I find the story of Isaacar and Zebulun?

Or can we regard this story as fictional too?

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Old 11-15-2016, 11:38 PM
 
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RESPONSE: So are you admitting we are dealing with a fictional story that is not in the Bible?
No. The Jews have more writings than we do in the Bible. The bible mention this several places where it refers to record books that we don't have. The bible quotes scripture from other books we don't have such as Enoch for example.
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:49 PM
 
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A rather extreme and uncalled for reaction spawned by the fact that I said that Aristotles child was barking 'nuh uh' in post #98.
Post #98 ''You can be as afraid as you want to be, and you can bark 'nuh uh' till the cows come home, but the promise of the seed made to the woman (to Eve), and later to Abraham ultimately pointed to Jesus just as Paul stated in Galatians 3:16.''
If you are so sensitive and so easily offended, no one is making you read my posts. You are free to put me on your ignore list.

I'm not sensitive or easily offended. It's hard not to read your post when you send them to me. Post #98 was not what I was referring to and you know it. The 2 posts I was referring to have since been deleted and so was mine to you.

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Old 11-16-2016, 01:02 AM
 
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QUESTION: Exactly where in the New Testament will I find the story of Isaacar and Zebulun?

Or can we regard this story as fictional too?
The Koran says that Issachar is a man who has a million books that he never read.


This concept comes from stories that would be extremely common among Jews know Issachar, Zebulun and Judah, after all, they are the 3 that come after Rueben Simeon and Levi.


The concept was so well known of Zebulun and Issachar being two merchant sailors upon the sea selling the wares because to the seas they were given and oceans are as walls that one day vines will cross like roads dividing the waters.


The concept so well known that one side of the boat was named Zebulun, and one Issachar because of the bond between them as two brothers who do not struggle, but they have a goal in which they have learned sacrifice in Judah, and one side of the boat is for your daily job, and hopefully, you will take an humble job only because you are studying to be a priest but you have to work and pay the rent.


The concept between these two brothers would have been well known as Revelation speaks of people within Zebulun, within Issachar, and with Judah, but if you are still found upon the sea in a boat selling your wares, then it means that you are an ass in Issachar between two burdens and there are two gods, two sides of the boat, commit to one side or the other or the man will never jump from the boat.


When Peter jumped from that boat, he jumped from Zebulun, from Isaachar, and from Judah as he walked up on that beach, he himself was symbolic for the fish frying already when Jesus says,'' Feed my people.''




Peter was graduating from being a creature of the waters, from being a man in a boat burdened with two causes, and he had made his mind up and jumped into the next level. We watch Peter go from level to level.


THIS IS SAID IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT EVERY JEW KNEW THE CONCEPT OF ZEBULUN AND ISSACHAR


Lament over Babylon
…16saying: “Woe, woe to the great city, clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! 17For in a single hour such fabulous wealth has been destroyed!†Every shipmaster, passenger, and sailor, and all who make their living from the sea, will stand at a distance 18and cry out at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her, saying, ‘What city was ever like this great city?’…


The entire story of Jesus asking Peter 3 times ,'' Do you Love me?, is Jesus asking in Judah, in Issachar and in Zebulun 3 Times because of a known concept.















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Old 11-16-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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The Koran says that Issachar is a man who has a million books that he never read.


This concept comes from stories that would be extremely common among Jews know Issachar, Zebulun and Judah, after all, they are the 3 that come after Rueben Simeon and Levi.


The concept was so well known of Zebulun and Issachar being two merchant sailors upon the sea selling the wares because to the seas they were given and oceans are as walls that one day vines will cross like roads dividing the waters.


The concept so well known that one side of the boat was named Zebulun, and one Issachar because of the bond between them as two brothers who do not struggle, but they have a goal in which they have learned sacrifice in Judah, and one side of the boat is for your daily job, and hopefully, you will take an humble job only because you are studying to be a priest but you have to work and pay the rent.


The concept between these two brothers would have been well known as Revelation speaks of people within Zebulun, within Issachar, and with Judah, but if you are still found upon the sea in a boat selling your wares, then it means that you are an ass in Issachar between two burdens and there are two gods, two sides of the boat, commit to one side or the other or the man will never jump from the boat.


When Peter jumped from that boat, he jumped from Zebulun, from Isaachar, and from Judah as he walked up on that beach, he himself was symbolic for the fish frying already when Jesus says,'' Feed my people.''




Peter was graduating from being a creature of the waters, from being a man in a boat burdened with two causes, and he had made his mind up and jumped into the next level. We watch Peter go from level to level.


THIS IS SAID IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT EVERY JEW KNEW THE CONCEPT OF ZEBULUN AND ISSACHAR


Lament over Babylon
…16saying: “Woe, woe to the great city, clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! 17For in a single hour such fabulous wealth has been destroyed!†Every shipmaster, passenger, and sailor, and all who make their living from the sea, will stand at a distance 18and cry out at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her, saying, ‘What city was ever like this great city?’…


The entire story of Jesus asking Peter 3 times ,'' Do you Love me?, is Jesus asking in Judah, in Issachar and in Zebulun 3 Times because of a known concept.

Hmm.....bet that was why when He came through their walls after He arose, He asked them if they had any meat/fish. Peace
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:27 AM
 
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Hmm.....bet that was why when He came through their walls after He arose, He asked them if they had any meat/fish. Peace

Peter was just taken from the waters, he was symbolically the food in which he would feed the people.


20Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties.

Dan had come hard on Peter, just imagine the serpent who turns the rider over backwards when Jesus was dead?
Your Peter, and you just denied Jesus 3 times as Issachar who didn't commit and he was sifted and then comes Dan.


Imagine his self loathing at imagining that his failure to commit when it was important and if he could go back and do it again. Then he sees the Lord, and now he is man about to over come a troop, and a man who will set a Gazelle free in Naphtali{Dorcus}.


Through each we see whim move through each tribe.


When he becomes Naphtali, he is walking in Joseph.
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:33 AM
 
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Here a little, there a little, I'm seeing more of what you're saying. Peace
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Default Questionable existence of Jesus sayings.

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Jesus uses the stories of Zebulun and Issachar over and over but these stories aren't in the bible.
Then please provide the book, chapter and verse in the New Testament in which you claim Jesus used these stories (ie. Zebulun and Issachar).

And then perhaps we can return to the topic of this thread.

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Old 11-16-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Then please provide the book, chapter and verse in the New Testament in which you claim Jesus used these stories (ie. Zebulun and Issachar).

And then perhaps we can return to the topic of this thread.
Just because you don't know ancient Jewish writings or Jewish traditions or what the priest is saying and doing while he is officiating in his duties and prayers during holy days doesn't mean these things don't exist or that they are not spoken of in the New Testament. Just because you never heard the story of Zebulun and Issachar being two merchant sailors doesn't take away the fact that it was used in the story of Peter jumping from the boat and used so much in Revelation.


That is just one story that is relating things you never heard of but were you born a Jew and raised in ancient Jewish thought and writings?


Christians pick up Revelation and they begin to read thinking the answers can all be found in the bible but unless you search all the oral Torah and Jewish writings, you couldn't possibly figure Revelation out because it is written to a Jew who knows Oral Torah and ancient Jewish concepts.


That you don't know those writings doesn't mean they don't exist or they aren't used by Jews writing the New Testament.




It's like that 30 min of silence in Revelation, you wont find the answer unless you study exactly what happens in the Temple, and people claim to be the Temple but are ignorant of what is said and what takes place in that temple as if the temple has suddenly become a gentile temple who has no ways, no prayers, no duties, no tradition.
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