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Old 09-11-2009, 08:15 PM
 
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Just asking. What do you all think?

I believe it has.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Just asking. What do you all think?

I believe it has.
I believe it has been for a while.. What are the implications of that though?
Is the spirit only partially poured out? Or do you include non-believers in the receivership of the spirit?
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Old 09-12-2009, 04:21 AM
 
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I believe it has been for a while.. What are the implications of that though?
Is the spirit only partially poured out? Or do you include non-believers in the receivership of the spirit?
I believe it has been poured out upon ALL mankind, but only a part. A "measure", so to speak.
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Old 09-12-2009, 04:41 AM
 
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I believe it has been poured out upon ALL mankind, but only a part. A "measure", so to speak.
How do you explain non-believers being drawn to Him then, if not with the full measure given out?
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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How do you explain non-believers being drawn to Him then, if not with the full measure given out?
That IS the measure. Remember the treasure in the field? He wasn't looking for it, he just found it. The treasure was there already.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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That IS the measure. Remember the treasure in the field? He wasn't looking for it, he just found it. The treasure was there already.
So what other measure isn't given out yet? What needs to be accomplished and to whom if the believer and unbeliever are given the Spirit already?
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Old 09-12-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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So what other measure isn't given out yet? What needs to be accomplished and to whom if the believer and unbeliever are given the Spirit already?
There is not anything we are waiting for far as God's promise goes. He is waiting on us. It is finished. People just don't understand exactly "what" is finished.

BTW. Thank you for the polite conversation. Hopefully it stays this way, unless pcamps shows up.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:00 PM
 
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So what other measure isn't given out yet? What needs to be accomplished and to whom if the believer and unbeliever are given the Spirit already?
Trusting, being obedient and unity would be a start. When we have faith (trust), come together and love one another, which only be accomplished through obedience, then we will "do greater things than these" according to Yeshua teachings.

I do believe he has poured out his spirit but the Lord does have stipulations and that we must mature up before we can recieve our full measure of power and authority. Just like you have several children. you would not give the keys to the car to a 5 year old, 10 year old or a 15 year old but when he/she grows up to be a responsible person then you will turn the keys over to them. But again not without having lessons to learn first (if you know what I mean)
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:02 PM
 
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There is not anything we are waiting for far as God's promise goes. He is waiting on us. It is finished. People just don't understand exactly "what" is finished.

BTW. Thank you for the polite conversation. Hopefully it stays this way, unless pcamps shows up.
p like starting camp"fires"
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:27 PM
 
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There is not anything we are waiting for far as God's promise goes. He is waiting on us. It is finished. People just don't understand exactly "what" is finished.

BTW. Thank you for the polite conversation. Hopefully it stays this way, unless pcamps shows up.
I don't understand what you mean. I thought you said the full measure was not given out but you say that there isn't anything left as far as God's promise... so what exactly is finished and what is not..

NP about the conversation. I am here to learn not debate although I do debate in order to learn.
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