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Old 09-15-2009, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default Regarding "listening to the lie of satan"

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People choose and like to listen to the lies of Satan and remain in their sin!!
IMHO there is no greater lie, and no greater sin, than to blaspheme God's character by believing that He is going to sustain anyone alive in an inescapable state of suffering forever.
The Law of Circularity: Will Jesus Torture Billions Forever? How Men Are Saved

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Old 09-15-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: In the♥of Jesus !
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IMHO there is no greater lie, and no greater sin, than to blaspheme God's character by believing that He is going to sustain anyone alive in an inescapable state of suffering forever.
You see.....that's just it, it's YOUR opinion, Rodger, not God's truth! So keep telling yourself all about it.... YOU are choosing to believe it....!
 
Old 09-15-2009, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default Regarding human opinions

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That's just it, it's YOUR opinion, Rodger, not God's truth! So keep telling yourself all about it.... YOU are choosing to believe it....!
The KJV version is made up of human opinions too.
I could post a document containg several dozen links proving the KJV and similar versions are wrong. But I have been told that only two links are allowed per post.

So here are two links, in case anyone is interested.

No two words in the history of man have been so torturing as aion and aionion. No two words in the history of man, mishandled by man, have contributed more to the physical, emotional and spiritual harm of so many, than these. You may think I must be exaggerating. But I am not. It is the mistranslation of these two words that has foisted the false and destructive doctrine of eternal torment upon the church and the world.

Mistranslation of the Greek words "aion" and “aionion” is a master stroke of diabolical genius. No other words erroneously translated, could more effectively pervert man’s image of God and cause such widespread confusion. The following work by Joseph E. Kirk is offered in the hope that the serious seeker after scriptural truth will be aided in their quest.

CHART OF GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

also see
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
An Analytical Study of Words
(especially note the quotes by the many Greek scholars in chapter three and twelve)

AND YES, I AM CHOOSING TO BELIEVE IT

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Old 09-15-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: In the♥of Jesus !
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Originally Posted by rodgertutt View Post
The KJV version is made up of human opinions too.
I could post a document containg several dozen links proving the KJV and similar versions are wrong. But I have been told that only two links are allowed per post.

So here are two links, in case anyone is interested.

No two words in the history of man have been so torturing as aion and aionion. No two words in the history of man, mishandled by man, have contributed more to the physical, emotional and spiritual harm of so many, than these. You may think I must be exaggerating. But I am not. It is the mistranslation of these two words that has foisted the false and destructive doctrine of eternal torment upon the church and the world.

Mistranslation of the Greek words "aion" and “aionion” is a master stroke of diabolical genius. No other words erroneously translated, could more effectively pervert man’s image of God and cause such widespread confusion. The following work by Joseph E. Kirk is offered in the hope that the serious seeker after scriptural truth will be aided in their quest.

AND YES, I AM CHOOSING TO BELIEVE IT
Well that is you choice, Rodger.....now isn't that funny your making a conscious choice, to believe in something?
 
Old 09-15-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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No two words in the history of man have been so torturing as aion and aionion. No two words in the history of man, mishandled by man, have contributed more to the physical, emotional and spiritual harm of so many, than these. You may think I must be exaggerating. But I am not. It is the mistranslation of these two words that has foisted the false and destructive doctrine of eternal torment upon the church and the world.
You forgot the mistranslation of all these: sheol, gehenna, hades, tartarus
To this: Hell
 
Old 09-15-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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Well that is you choice, Rodger.....now isn't that funny your making a conscious choice, to believe in something?

Yes of course, God never gives up to that end.
 
Old 09-15-2009, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default Making a conscious choice

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Well that is you choice, Rodger.....now isn't that funny your making a conscious choice, to believe in something?
Of course I'm making a conscious choice.

So what's your point?

We all make a "conscious choice" based on the evidence that is available for us to examine.

And the evidence that I have examined about what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) transated Bible teaches is contained in the those two links.

CHART OF GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

also see
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
An Analytical Study of Words
(especially note the quotes by the many Greek scholars in chapter three and twelve)

AND YES, IT IS MY CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO BELIEVE IT

Last edited by rodgertutt; 09-15-2009 at 11:36 AM.. Reason: spelling
 
Old 09-15-2009, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default Other mistranslations too

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You forgot the mistranslation of all these: sheol, gehenna, hades, tartarus
To this: Hell
Good point virtue
The Bible Hell
and
Jesus' Teaching on Hell
 
Old 09-15-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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That is exactly what we URs believe too!
What I was trying to convey, Rodger, and not just to you but to everyone who suffers from the same condition, was that had you possessed this unwavering trust in God's perfect justice you could have saved yourself the breakdown.
 
Old 09-15-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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As long as it's not you going to eternal hell.
No one has to go to eternal hell, Phaze. Not even you.
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