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may i give another example of some taking every line in the bible literally and others not? In the book of 1 Corinthians, Paul is teaching how to run a church service. 1 Corinthians 14;35 and 36--" let your women keep silence in the church for it is not permitted them to speak.But they are commanded to be obedient as also says the law. If they are to learn anything, let them ask thier husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in church." How many of todays religions follow this? Not many. They pick and choose what to believe. They may say they take all literally but they dont!
And lets not forget that MEN[humans] decided what would be included in the bible. So unless they were perfect individuals, thier decisions will always be open to critizisms. And since the bible says "ALL men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of the lord",we know these men were not perfect.
IN Your humble opinion of course! Because that in not the opinion of the majority of Christians, or of most Bible scholars.
On what should the opinion of "the majority of Christians" be based? What saith the Scriptures?
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants things which must SHORTLY take place . . . . for the time is NEAR" (Rev. 1:1, 3).
This is Scripture--not my opinion.
In case we didn't quite understand the timing in Revelation 1, it is repeated in chapter 22:
"'These words are faithful and true'. And the God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must SHORTLY take place . . . . and he [the angel] said to me, 'Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is NEAR'" (Rev. 22:6, 10).
On what should the opinion of "the majority of Christians" be based? What saith the Scriptures?
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants things which must SHORTLY take place . . . . for the time is NEAR" (Rev. 1:1, 3).
This is Scripture--not my opinion.
In case we didn't quite understand the timing in Revelation 1, it is repeated in chapter 22:
"'These words are faithful and true'. And the God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must SHORTLY take place . . . . and he [the angel] said to me, 'Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is NEAR'" (Rev. 22:6, 10).
Again, this is Scripture--not my opinion.
Preterist
I agree with you the time is near. So, prepare ye the way of the Lord...
Jesus is to return Shortly. That means there is time for you to repent of your sin. "Today is the day of Salvation".
may i give another example of some taking every line in the bible literally and others not? In the book of 1 Corinthians, Paul is teaching how to run a church service. 1 Corinthians 14;35 and 36--" let your women keep silence in the church for it is not permitted them to speak.But they are commanded to be obedient as also says the law. If they are to learn anything, let them ask thier husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in church." How many of todays religions follow this? Not many. They pick and choose what to believe. They may say they take all literally but they dont!
No, we agree with this passage. Woman or men in the congregation should not speak out. If they have a question they should wait until latter when the time is appropriate. Paul just specifically noted the woman in this passage because at the church he was at they were having a problem with the woman talking loudly during the service. Paul addressed many specific things that occured at specific churches. We still hold them today as relevant. Go to any church and see if you can begin talking loudly before being escorted out.
I have always wondered why so many are willing to literalize locusts with crowns and human faces from Revelation, but make "this is my body, this is my blood" into a symbol.
I get so frustrated reading the disputes between well meaning Christians over details that I deem irrelevant.
Let's take the parable ( permit me the use of parable ) where Jesus says it's better to pluck out your eye than have your whole body condemed ( I'm paraphrasing )
What are the truths that Jesus is trying to teach us? What is he concerned about? That, I maintain is what we should all work out together.
I fear there are many that would be obsessed with how many eye patches I should be wearing, and wether or not I deserve hell.
I find a lot of inspiration from the Bible. Sometimes it is a literal meaning, sometimes it is symbolic. But that doesn't matter. What matters is the inspiration and what it means to us.
I agree with you the time is near. So, prepare ye the way of the Lord...
Jesus is to return Shortly. That means there is time for you to repent of your sin. "Today is the day of Salvation".
Nikk--Why should I believe you? When the Bible says SHORTLY, we make it mean a long, long time. When the Bible says NEAR, we make it a long, long way off.
If you can use those terms in their normal, everyday, common uasge, why don't you see them that way in the Bible?
John was to be shown those things that were in his day to SHORTLY take place because the time was THEN near (Rev. 1:1, 3;22:6, 10).
James said--"The coming of the Lord is NEAR" (James 5:8).
Furthermore, it was Jesus' first-century disciples who were told to be ready. Jesus repeatedly said to THEM when THEY were right there with Him: YOU watch and YOU be ready.
"The Son of Man is ABOUT TO COME in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds" (Matt. 16:27). Then Jesus said--"There are some standing HERE who will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom."
Paul said "The time is NEAR" (Phil. 4:5).
The meanings of these words in the Bible are no different than the meanings we commonly give them in our everyday lives. So if near actually means far in the Bible and shortly actually means much later (according to many today), why do we give them their normal meanings when we use them?
Do they not have consistent meanings?
Preterist
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