Why do people not believe? (Sodom, punishment, doctrine, priests)

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Rafius

Which poses a rather nasty dilemma.

Your god allegedly knows the outcome of our lives before we are ever born. He will supposedly punish non-believers for all of eternity, however, he knew that they would not believe before the universe was ever created!! Do you see the problem here?

If what you say is true and he did know before we were created that some people would not believe, then he created those people with the intention of punishing them.

There is no dilemna to God. God's sovereignty reserves the right to do whatever He wants as long as it gives Him the glory. We the creation have no say. one way or another. God told Job, where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth. You may not agree with it and that is your right/ free will but there is no dilemna.

[Bettylou22]

Originally Posted by Rafius

Which poses a rather nasty dilemma.

Your god allegedly knows the outcome of our lives before we are ever born. He will supposedly punish non-believers for all of eternity, however, he knew that they would not believe before the universe was ever created!! Do you see the problem here?

If what you say is true and he did know before we were created that some people would not believe, then he created those people with the intention of punishing them.

isn't that morbid??

and if he preaches forgiveness in life, why must he punish/torture for ETERNITY?

it's all about fear. such a fear of the unknown causes those to blindly follow. what kind of life is that?

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Rafius

Which poses a rather nasty dilemma.

Your god allegedly knows the outcome of our lives before we are ever born. He will supposedly punish non-believers for all of eternity, however, he knew that they would not believe before the universe was ever created!! Do you see the problem here?

If what you say is true and he did know before we were created that some people would not believe, then he created those people with the intention of punishing them.

Oh, but you know, some religious sects have that covered, God indeed did create some human beings with the sole purpose of burning them in hell endlessly and because God is Sovereign, well, that keeps him from being a sick -you-know-what.


And of course those that believe this certainly are not of the damned, oh no because they have submitted to that sovereignty and that keeps them safe from such a "being". Yep, sure thing.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

Oh, but you know, some religious sects have that covered, God indeed did create some human beings with the sole purpose of burning them in hell endlessly and because God is Sovereign, well, that keeps him from being a sick -you-know-what.


And of course those that believe this certainly are not of the damned, oh no because they have submitted to that sovereignty and that keeps them safe from such a "being". Yep, sure thing.

Let's use logic here and not emotion......forget hell.

If God is good and holy then how can you a mere creation question God's goodness and holiness? Is not questioning God showing you are apart from God? so if you are apart from God then how can you KNOW what is good and holy let alone question?

and if you can't understand or don't believe in God's sovereignty, well then my friend you have a diliemna. Why does God allow little children to be raped and murdered?

[yhwhshalomjr]

Lord Help My Unbelief!
I agree with most when they said "Both", deception is an instrument from the enemy. a tool that he uses for his craftwork;

[virtue_summer]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Let's use logic here and not emotion......forget hell.

If God is good and holy then how can you a mere creation question God? Is not questioning God showing you are apart from God? so if you are apart from God then how can you KNOW what is good and holy?

If questioning God means you're apart from God then almost all of the people in the Bible were apart from God including Abraham, Moses, and even Jesus.

[Bettylou22]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

God's sovereignty reserves the right to do whatever He wants as long as it gives Him the glory. We...have no say. one way or another.

You sound like a follower of David Koresh or Jim Jones.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by iriekate

You sound like a follower of David Koresh or Jim Jones.

David Koresh and Jim Jones followers did not know nor read the bible. If they did then they wouldn't think they were the messiah. I don't think they were the messiah.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

There is no dilemna to God. God's sovereignty reserves the right to do whatever He wants as long as it gives Him the glory.

So you're quite happy with your loving, compassionate, forgiving and merciful deity deliberately creating people KNOWING that they will be tortured for eternity for being nothing more than what they were created as. What particular 'glory' do you consider your god get from doing this?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by virtue_summer

If questioning God means you're apart from God then almost all of the people in the Bible were apart from God including Abraham, Moses, and even Jesus.

Who question God? and when I say, "apart" I mean putting your values and standards above God's