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Old 10-23-2007, 12:34 PM
 
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how can i "gather knowledge" when you really didnt say anything

Your question, I think, was so are the episcopals the only ones that ordain gays......The answer is NO.

Not all men go around proclaiming to the world that they are gay. They can be ordained in any denomination. There are no rules against it except those that require a man be of good character. That's when the problems start. who decides who has good character? Suppose he is a celibate gay?

Why does a man have to be attracted to women in order to serve God?

At the time of ordinations, is his sexual preference known? If it isn't, even though it might be suspected, the chances are very good that he will be ordained. There aren't any denominations that turn away candidates because they have so many that they can't place them all.

In fact, from what I have seen, the main thing is that they can breathe on their own. I am not even sure that some of them can read and write. I would prefer intellegence, compassion and understanding over sexual preference anyday. I don't have any idea what God thinks on the matter.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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if your gay and an episcopalian can you become a priest?
I believe this is the case. A church here in Raleigh that I had visited used to be in the Episcopal Diocese of North Carolina and is now affiliated with the Diocese of North Kigezi in the Anglican Province of Uganda. This came as a result of controversy in the Episcopal Church allowing homosexual priests.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:46 PM
 
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I believe this is the case. A church here in Raleigh that I had visited used to be in the Episcopal Diocese of North Carolina and is now affiliated with the Diocese of North Kigezi in the Anglican Province of Uganda. This came as a result of controversy in the Episcopal Church allowing homosexual priests.
Yes. The African church is very against gays and some churchs in the US are changing their allegance to fall under the auspices of the African churches.

The US churches, however, tend to operate independently and there is no strong unifiying body that can speak for all of them regarding this issue.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:49 PM
 
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Yes. The African church is very against gays and some churchs in the US are changing their allegance to fall under the auspices of the African churches.

The US churches, however, tend to operate independently and there is no strong unifiying body that can speak for all of them regarding this issue.
I am not Episcopal and a bit confused about the statement that the Episcopal church in the USA operate independently. I had read

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The[SIZE=2] US Episcopal Church came into existence as an independent denomination after the American Revolution. Today it has between two and three million members in the United States and Central America, all of which are under the jurisdiction of Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.[/SIZE]
If so, there is a unifying voice, namely the the Presiding Bishop.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:29 PM
 
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The presiding bishop is not an administrator for the individual dioceses and churches, however. Each diocese elects its own bishop and each congregation hires its own priests and deacons. The presiding bishop cannot overturn the decision of a diocese in the selection of a bishop.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:32 PM
 
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If a certain faith is going to prohibit gays from holding religious office, shouldn't they do the same for fat people?
Gluttony is also a sin, right?
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:43 PM
 
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so its just the episcopalians that let gay men become priests
There are other Christian denominations that permit gays and lesbians to be ordained ministers. They just don't call them priests. For instance, some Methodist Churches will ordain gays and lesbians, though the official teaching of the Methodist Church is opposed to it. But the most universal of all Christian denominations that allow it are the Metropolitan Community Churches.

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If a certain faith is going to prohibit gays from holding religious office, shouldn't they do the same for fat people?
Gluttony is also a sin, right?
Not all fat people are gluttons. Some have thyroid problems, or physical disabilities which prevent them from exercising sufficiently.
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:50 PM
 
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There are other Christian denominations that permit gays and lesbians to be ordained ministers. They just don't call them priests. For instance, some Methodist Churches will ordain gays and lesbians, though the official teaching of the Methodist Church is opposed to it. But the most universal of all Christian denominations that allow it are the Metropolitan Community Churches.



Not all fat people are gluttons. Some have thyroid problems, or physical disabilities which prevent them from exercising sufficiently.
And not all gluttons are fat. Take myself for instance.. not skinny.. not fat.. I'd say more "spongy" in the mid-section.

And if I listened to Thomas Aquinas I guess I'd be considered a glutton..

1. Sometimes I eat too expensively
2. Sometimes I eat too much (culprit = pork baby back ribs)
3. Sometimes I eat too eagerly

Deep down I'm a foodie.. Guess I'll never be a preacher.
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Somewhere along the path to where I'd like to be.
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And not all gluttons are fat. Take myself for instance.. not skinny.. not fat.. I'd say more "spongy" in the mid-section.

And if I listened to Thomas Aquinas I guess I'd be considered a glutton..

1. Sometimes I eat too expensively
2. Sometimes I eat too much (culprit = pork baby back ribs)
3. Sometimes I eat too eagerly

Deep down I'm a foodie.. Guess I'll never be a preacher.
Boy, I wish I had your problem. Well, not that I want to be a glutton. But I wish my metabolism was high enough that I didn't have to worry about whether eating one extra cookie, or drinking a regular soda instead of diet, was going to pack on a few extra pounds.

My weakness is dark chocolate. Lately I've been feeling a bit like my evening isn't complete if I don't have my chocolate bar after dinner.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Between Here and There
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And not all gluttons are fat. Take myself for instance.. not skinny.. not fat.. I'd say more "spongy" in the mid-section.

And if I listened to Thomas Aquinas I guess I'd be considered a glutton..

1. Sometimes I eat too expensively
2. Sometimes I eat too much (culprit = pork baby back ribs)
3. Sometimes I eat too eagerly

Deep down I'm a foodie.. Guess I'll never be a preacher.
Ok I want to be like this with out the extra "fluff" around the middle ... teach me Master Yoda, please!
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