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God made us in His image. We have a body, a soul and a spirit.
Body = Jesus is the body, God's physical revelation to us. Jesus is the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us.
Soul = God is the Soul, the mind...of the Holy Trinity. God the Father is the Creator...
Spirit = The Holy Spirit, is like breath of life. He is the power (empowerment) by which God communicates with us and works in us and through us. The Holy Spirit empowers, guides, comforts, convicts, and even helps us to pray when we don't know how to.
There are many scriptures that talk about the job of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit witnesses and testifies to the power and credibility of God and His Word.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of Truth.
The Holy Spirit guides us onto all truths.
The Holy Spirit shows us things to come.
The Holy Spirit binds us to the Father and the Son.
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say to you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he will not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
"God is ONE" (Galatians 3:20)
the WHOLE fullness of God is in Jesus (Colossians 2:9)
MAN has confused the meaning of 'trinity' (the word is not in original/true scripture) to mean 'separate' entities. What is called a "trinity" is actually 3 manifestations of the same/only creator.
All verses are from the RSV.
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God made us in His image. We have a body, a soul and a spirit.
Body = Jesus is the body, God's physical revelation to us. Jesus is the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us.
Soul = God is the Soul, the mind...of the Holy Trinity. God the Father is the Creator...
Spirit = The Holy Spirit, is like breath of life. He is the power (empowerment) by which God communicates with us and works in us and through us. The Holy Spirit empowers, guides, comforts, convicts, and even helps us to pray when we don't know how to.
There are many scriptures that talk about the job of the Holy Spirit.
This is a good explanation.
I like to think of the word, "family" . It is a plural word, and yet it is speaking of one unit. The word Elohim/God is a plural word: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. (There are several Hebrew words translated "God/god")
In the New Testament it is called the "Godhead" .
Acts17:29; Romans 1:20; and Col. 2: 9 KJV
NAS has " Divine Nature" in Acts and Romans, "fullness of Diety" in Colossians.
There are many words that denote plurality, government is another.
1 John 5:7 says there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
This is certainly interesting that you would use this particular scripture to prove the Trinity. Especially in the light of most all scholar's agreements here that this is a spurious scripture. What that means is , the original translators of the Authorized King James version of the Bible back in around 1611 , deliberately change the scripture to read that way for the sole purpose of proving the Trinity.
Another one they changed and used is 1 Timothy 3:16 in which the King James rendering says, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory". However , as scholars have pointed out , in the oldest manuscripts found and known, the word God was never there , it was the pronoun he.
I actually found this out by accident in the late 1970s when doing a bit of research the old fashioned way in a public library in Burnley , Lancashire UK, not because it was my intention to disprove the Trinity , but because I was researching some information on what the Mormon church teaches. I knew nothing about them and the city of Burnley was a big Mormon town. Being American , everybody I met thought I was a Mormon missionary and I was'nt. So I was curious. There were two books about them written by a Baptist minister and a Methodist minister. Both pointed out that scholars proved Joseph Smith plagerized the King James Bible because he actually copied whole portions or parts of it. He actually copied both of these verses and surrounding context word for word. But what he did'nt realize , is that he was copying the spurious mistakes of the King James.
But also looking at the history of the Trinity controversy itself , it appeared to me to be originally more of a political move or doctrine when established , rather than a true religious doctrine. Seems Emperor Constantine was trying to keep the failing Roman Empire together with it's pagan background and satisfy it's christian converts all at the same time.
GOD being the WATER: the Basis of ALL!
JESUS being the ICE: the One that took on a different form, the one with SUBSTANCE (being that He was Human). The one that not only melts into being Water (God), but also evaporates in to the Spirit (vapor).
HOLY SPIRIT: the One that breaks down into VAPOR and is all around us. The Vapor clings to the surface but can also penetrate into our souls!
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God made us in His image. We have a body, a soul and a spirit.
Body = Jesus is the body, God's physical revelation to us. Jesus is the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us.
Soul = God is the Soul, the mind...of the Holy Trinity. God the Father is the Creator...
Spirit = The Holy Spirit, is like breath of life. He is the power (empowerment) by which God communicates with us and works in us and through us. The Holy Spirit empowers, guides, comforts, convicts, and even helps us to pray when we don't know how to.
There are many scriptures that talk about the job of the Holy Spirit.
Great explanations of how to understand the Trinity!!!
Ok so I'm seriously wondering if the trinity is three in one then why would Jesus pray to himself? Why would He thank the Father before raising Lazarus? Why would he respond "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God." when asked a question by a ruler? Why would a voice be heard when Jesus was baptized saying "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" Was Jesus throwing his voice?
I've thought of these questions often and I could come up with many more examples but if someone could give me a good answer to those questions I'd appreciate it.
dreameyes: Are you Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness? I have had many Mormons and JWs in my home and they have asked similar questions. First of all, I do not think the concept of the Tri-unity (as I like to call it) can be grasped by those outside of faith. But I do not know your situation, so I will try to answer your questions, hoping that you have the eyes of faith to understand.
Jesus never prayed to Himself. When we consider Jesus, we must remember that He is God in the flesh--God become fully man while retaining His full deity. In Philippians 2 we read that He humbled Himself and became in the likeness of men and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. In His humility, He laid aside the glory which He had had with the Father throughout eternity. When He walked upon this earth, He lived in total dependence on the Father as an example to us of how we are to live. That is why in John 17 in His high priestly prayer, He prayed to the Father when His hour had come to sacrifice Himself for His sheep, "Glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" (17:5). After His ascension, He returned to that glory with the unique members of His unique family--the one true unique God!
As fully Man, Jesus prayed not to Himself but to His Father in heaven. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of one household. They are unique and form one family if you will. They are of one essence; they are "other" than any other being. The same God-"blood" flows through their beings that will always make them apart from us. With that in mind, it is really impossible to even make legitimate comparisons between God and man for to do so diminishes that otherness. When one says that Jesus' condescension was similar to a man becoming an ant, it is totally inadequate and insufficient because even the man and the ant are in reality both creatures. We cannot measure any distance to which He came down from His position of equality with the Father. It is immeasurable!
To say that God is far above man is to say that God is somehow within our reach. This too is inadequate. We will never understand the nature of God and the truth of the Tri-unity until we see ourselves as completely OTHER than He is in every way besides the reflected, man-appropriate attributes he bestowed upon us at creation.
In the context of Lazarus, note that we read: "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me." Here Jesus makes it clear that He does not for Himself have to pray to the Father, but His prayers are for men as a witness and as an example of how men are to communicate with God, the Father.
The same is true at the time of His baptism (Luke 3). The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are still of one essence; they are still of one unique, eternal family unit different from any other--so much "other" than any other that they cannot rightfully be compared to any created being! Jesus, the Son, left His glory with the Father and became a man. It is the unique Father speaking to His unique Son bestowing upon Him the unique Holy Spirit. Again, it is for our benefit that these things are revealed. The Father has sent the Son to be the propitiation for sins. His baptism is His official initiation into the work that He was called to do. The Father is well pleased with the Son.
In Matthew 19 Jesus is not denying His deity but affirming it. By calling Him "Good Teacher," the rich young man was giving to Him an attribute which belongs only to God and also finding in Jesus the source for eternal life. We see this revealed in Romans 3 where Paul, through inspiration, says that "there is none good; no not one." No one is good except God. Notice that Jesus did not tell the rich young ruler not to call Him good--He simply ask him why he did so! In other words, He was saying that by calling Him good, the young man was acknowledging that Jesus is God!
These are difficult concepts and often hard to understand. That is where faith comes in. We must strive to the point that our human insufficiencies will allow us and then commit the rest to God. All in all, it is never an exercise in futility to dig deep within ourselves and search the Scriptures with all diligence and hardwork to attempt as much as possible to delve into these deeper things of faith. The rewards are certainly worth the time and the effort!
when you look at a triangle you see three sides, as well as three angles, but the whole of it is classified as one shape. not one side is without connections to the other two, and each side is completely straight, and without crookedness. this is the most devine LOVE tringle there is meaning two of the three are in love with the third, and it's this way no matter which two you choose in the triangle. one side is God the Father, the other side is God the Son, and the last side would be God the Holy Spirit.
three sides {three expressoins} of one God.
I have a body, soul and spirit. take any one of these parts of me and you will have the whole of me concerning that part taken and the fact that it is indeed me still. my body does body things {make contact in this tangible world}, my soul does soulish things {will to do....} and my spirit does those things pertaining to my spirit {communion with God}. I am one person with three active expressions working together to show forth my life and my existance.
ok, last example. I am my childs mother, my husbands wife, my father's daughter, my doctors paitent, my instructor's student, the grocery's store's customer, and so on, yet I remain one person putting forth which ever expression of myself best fulfill the responsiblity's listed above. I can do one and never loose any of my other expressions and you'll find that I don't like fruitcake no matter which roll I am position to express, because I am in agreement with myself when it comes to fruitcake. I make adjustments as I live out appropriate rolls that make my life well-lived, and there are questions you could ask me in any of the rolls to which my response would be the same.
in other words you could talk to me as a friend, and know also that you have seen and talked to my husband's wife, and that there is nothing that you can say to either one{any one expression of myself} that my child's mother {me} didn't hear, because I am one/crystal-sea.
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I think of the Trinity like Body, Soul & Spirit. Three parts, three revelations of who God is. (Likewise, we were created in His image - body, soul & spirit - a three part being )
God Spoke and created the world. (Jesus is the Word - God's Word - that dwelt among us. God revealed Himself to us through Jesus ...)
God's Spirit is the Holy Spirit...
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body, soul & spirit...
