Everlasting is Eternal is Forever... (purification, myth, women, Israel)

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Mike555

You are correct. There is no use beyond a certain point in presenting the truth to those who willingly refuse to see. However, there are those who may be on the fense and confused about an issue. In this case, the meaning of eternity. And so presenting the information to them might be of help to them.

Those who purposely distort the meaning of 'eternity' and attempt to turn it into a temporary period of time, are enemies of the Cross of Jesus Christ and mock the Holiness of eternal and infinite God. They would mock God, but God can not be mocked. (Gal. 6:6) It is Satans intention to lure man into a sense of false security and disregard the neccessity of the Cross. By saying that God will bring back into a relationship with Him those who have chosen not to have a relationship with Him, those who have rejected the one means by which God could provide salvation without compromising His perfect righteousness and justice, they make God to be a liar and a God who does not mean what He says.

Jeremiah 9:24 ''but let him who boasts boast of this, that He understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness, justice, and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,'' declares the LORD.

God's love motivates His grace toward us, but His love must be filtered through His righteousness. God's love cannot overrule His Holiness.

I have come to think that these 'aionites', worship the word 'aion'. Well, sort of.

Yes, I agree with you. But one thing that I noticed is, if they argue with God's Word, then they will argue with you. Jesus is very clear in His Word what is to come, and we are not to add, to take away, or assume things will be different. If you notice, all of the ones who are aganist what the bible is saying, they say," I think that everyone will eventually get into heaven, from Hell, " without any scripture to back that up.

There is no scripture that says that Jesus will eventually bring them back into His presence after they are sent away, no scripture that says that God will bring them out of Hell, so you see, if they want to add their man made eventually, they are deceived.

The word eventually is going to send some people into deception and dissapointment when their eyes is opened, if they ever accept the truth. God says that who does the will of My Father, not who eventually does the will of My Father. If you do not do the Will of God, then Hell is going to be waiting for you. But people add their own twist on scripture and say, well, everyone will eventually do the will, foolish.

So, you see deception is very high in this day and people are in error when they put their opinion on what they think scripture means. It is really sad, I say. If Jesus says depart from me, then that is what He mean, but you will find that some believe that Jesus will eventually bring those that He sent out of His sight. UMMMMM, foolish.

But as you said before there are some still looking for the truth.

[svenM]

Those who purposely distort the meaning of 'eternity' and attempt to turn it into a temporary period of time, are enemies of the Cross of Jesus Christ and mock the Holiness of eternal and infinite God. They would mock God, but God can not be mocked.

the common concept of eternity is a philosophical invention just as the immortality of the soul, I rather believe the bible than Plato.

where does the bible define "eternity" as endless?

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by Mike555

My teaching comes from those who were experts in the original Hebrew and Greek languages and who taught from those languages. They did not use a Bible translation in their studies. And they taught from the original lanquages that eternal condemnation is accurate theology. I am speaking of men such as Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer who founded Dallas Theological Seminary which required extensive training in the original languages, and Robert B. Thieme JR., who was pastor of Berachah Church for over 50 years and was one of the leading theologians of the twentieth century.

And what an idiotic thing to say that the believer doesn't have eternal, or if you must, 'everlasting' life. The resurrected body will be immortal. The human soul is immortal from the moment that God creates it and imputes it to the body of every newborn baby. And at the moment a person believes in Christ for salvation, God the Holy Spirit creates a human spirit to which God the Father imputes His very own ETERNAL LIFE. Furthermore, the Church age believer is entered into union with Christ by the baptism of the Holy Spirit and so we share Christs eternal life.

Much of what is being taught today and being passed off as doctrinal teaching is in fact Satanically inspired. And that also includes the teaching that says that 'aion' proves that there is no eternal punishment for the unbeliever. That is straight from the mouth of Satan.

So are mine wow, different experts say different things? Go figure ... my experts say aion means age, and aionios means pertaining to the ages loosely.


One of my experts is Louis Abbott ... check him out ... See if you can do any better mike ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoNx...e=channel_page

[legoman]

Miss Shawn,

It says it right here:

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

And here:

1 Cor 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)

And here:

Eph 1:10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ

And here:

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people.


And furthermore, who is really rejecting God's word? You go on about "arguing with God's word" ... who is really arguing against God's word:

Mike555 says souls don't die.
Scripture says souls die.

Miss_Shawn says God will not have all men to be saved.
Scripture says God will have all men to be saved.

I suppose I need some good "bible theology" to understand why the opposite of what God's word says is the truth.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by mshipmate

*I do agree God made all souls and all souls belong to God.

However, IF all the souls He created are immortal (can't die) then how do you explain this verse:

Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This passage clearly tells us not to fear 'man' who can kill only our body, but to fear God who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire. This verse shows all souls are made mortal (liable to die).

If God had created all souls to never die. How can they perish in the lake of fire? Or in other words die?

It is simply a reference to the second death which is spiritual death perpetuated into eternity. We are born physically alive but spiritually dead. That is we are born into the world without the ability to have a relationship with God. We are physically alive. The real us, the soul, is alive and conscious, but yet we are said to be spiritually dead. The reason is that we are born without a human spirit. It is the human spirit that is able to have a relatioship with God. When a person believes in Christ for salvation, God the Holy Spirit creates a human spirit and imputes it to the believer. God the Father then imputes His very own eternal life to the human spirit and we are said to be born again.

If a person dies physically without believing in Christ for salvation, that person dies in a status of spiritual death, but as he is now in hades and later to be in the lake of fire, that spiritual death is reclassified as the second death.(Rev. 20:14). Just as he was physically alive on earth in a conscious state, so now in his eternal state he is still conscious and will at the end of the Millennium be resurrected in a body that will inhabit the lake of fire forever. He will be alive and conscious but in what the Bible calls the second death. Eternal separation from God, but alive and conscious. 'Perish' simply refers to the fact of being eternally separated from God.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Twin, Please look at those verses in Rotherham's, Young's or Concordant literal and you will see that They will actually go away to age-during or eonian punishment but the righteous to age-during or eonian life. Matthew 25:31-46 is about the NATIONS and how those NATIONS treated Jesus's brethren. It is not about believing in Christ. It is about either being in the 1000 year long kingdom or out of it.
Will you try to learn this? Please?

Not today. The falsehood of a 1000 year physical reign of Jesus teaching is for another topic.

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by legoman

Miss Shawn,

It says it right here:

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

And here:

1 Cor 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)

And here:

Eph 1:10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ

And here:

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people.


And furthermore, who is really rejecting God's word? You go on about "arguing with God's word" ... who is really arguing against God's word:

Mike555 says souls don't die.
Scripture says souls die.

Miss_Shawn says God will not have all men to be saved.
Scripture says God will have all men to be saved.

I suppose I need some good "bible theology" to understand why the opposite of what God's word says is the truth.

There is nothing in these scriptures that says that God will send someone to hell and then bring them out of that hell. Jesus is the Savior of everyone, but everyone will not come to Him.

The scriptures says that God reconciled everyone by Jesus, meaning He provided a way for everyone to again have a relationship with Him, just like what adam and eve had. Everyone will not come into that relationship, due to their will of not wanting to come to Jesus.

Show me scripture that says that reconcile has nothing to do with those that will be in Hell, only those that actually come into a relationship through Jesus to The Father.

Out of all of these scripture they are not saying what you are trying to make them say.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19Therefore if anyone is in Christ,{he is} a new creature; the old things passed away;behold, new things have come. Now all {these} thingsare from God, who reconciled us to Himself throughChrist and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world toHimself, not counting their trespasses against them, andHe has committed to us the word of reconciliation.This scripture says if, not all. Not my words, scripture

I find it odd that you are trying to make a point with scripture that says nothing of what you are trying to say. Yes, everything will be under Christ authority, what does that have to do with the people that are going to hell? So, you see twisting scripture is not going to help you.

God is in control of every now, but there are some who dont even believe in God, that is their choice.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by legoman

Miss Shawn,

It says it right here:

Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

And here:

1 Cor 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)

And here:

Eph 1:10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ

And here:

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people.


And furthermore, who is really rejecting God's word? You go on about "arguing with God's word" ... who is really arguing against God's word:

Mike555 says souls don't die.
Scripture says souls die.

Miss_Shawn says God will not have all men to be saved.
Scripture says God will have all men to be saved.

I suppose I need some good "bible theology" to understand why the opposite of what God's word says is the truth.

I have already shown you in my other post what temporal death in reference to the soul means. Whether you believe it or not is your choice.

God's desire for us to be saved doesn't mean He superimposes His soverignty on our free will. Did it not occur to you that He gave us free will for a reason? Did it not occur to you that all those verses that tell us to make a decision to believe in Christ or not to believe, are there for a reason?

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

There is nothing in these scriptures that says that God will send someone to hell and then bring them out of that hell. Jesus is the Savior of everyone, but everyone will not come to Him.

The scriptures says that God reconsiled everyone by Jesus, meaning He provided a way for everyone to again have a relationship with Him, just like what adam and eve had. Everyone will not come into that relationship, due to their will of not wanting to come to Jesus.

Show me scripture that says that reconcile has nothing to do with those that will be in Hell, only those that actually come into a relationship through Jesus to The Father.

Out of all of these scripture they are not saying what you are trying to make them say.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19Therefore if anyone is in Christ,{he is} a new creature; the old things passed away;behold, new things have come. Now all {these} thingsare from God, who reconciled us to Himself throughChrist and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world toHimself, not counting their trespasses against them, andHe has committed to us the word of reconciliation.This scripture says if, not all. Not my words, scripture

So if i try to save someone and fail, am i still their savior? See, people don't believe, according to the bible, because they are deceived. So if Jesus was really their savior and was unable to convince them of the truth through whatever means ... if jesus was unable to reveal the truth to them then Satans power of deception is greater by far the Gods ability to draw men to Christ.

So you say Jesus is the savior of all men yet he is not able to overcome the deception of men in order to truly save them?

Your teaching that Satan is more powerful than God, and that the lies of Satan are more powerful over humanity than Gods truth. That is all there is to it.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

There is nothing in these scriptures that says that God will send someone to hell and then bring them out of that hell. Jesus is the Savior of everyone, but everyone will not come to Him.

The scriptures says that God reconsiled everyone by Jesus, meaning He provided a way for everyone to again have a relationship with Him, just like what adam and eve had. Everyone will not come into that relationship, due to their will of not wanting to come to Jesus.

Show me scripture that says that reconcile has nothing to do with those that will be in Hell, only those that actually come into a relationship through Jesus to The Father.

Out of all of these scripture they are not saying what you are trying to make them say.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19Therefore if anyone is in Christ,{he is} a new creature; the old things passed away;behold, new things have come. Now all {these} thingsare from God, who reconciled us to Himself throughChrist and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world toHimself, not counting their trespasses against them, andHe has committed to us the word of reconciliation.This scripture says if, not all. Not my words, scripture

Miss_Shawn, you are making a big assumption here - that God throws people into hell. Hell is hugely mistranslated, and the Lake of Fire is not hell. There is no scripture that says God puts people in "hell". So why would there be a scripture that says people come out of "hell" when there is no scripture that says people are "thrown into hell"?

The above scriptures I've shown are very relevant. God will have all men to be saved. God will reconcile all to Himself. God will bring all under Christ. It doesn't exclude people that are allegedly "thrown into hell". God reconciles ALL PEOPLE. EVERYONE. That is your scriptural answer. You only have to believe it.