Everlasting is Eternal is Forever... (believer, scripture, sinners, Holy Spirit)

[legoman]

Maybe this is a better translation (Concordant Literal):

Matt 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian

Hmm, eonian chastening, age-during punishment, or everlasting punishment. Which is it?

Verna, you have already admitted that eternal might not always mean eternal. Apparently this version doesn't believe Matt 25:46 should be translated with the word eternal either.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

Ummm, you mean Shawn, instead of Betsey, but I get what you are saying.

...LOL!......I'm sorry Miss Shawn...It's late, and I'm sleepy...but I still have a little fire left in me yet...!

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

You mean "the verses I quote to prove my point" rather than "depending on the verse"....right?

No kat, I meant exactly what I said...everlasting, eternal, and forever, depending upon the verses, can ABSOLUTELY mean everlasting, eternal and forever!...and the verses that I quoted, just happen to fall in this catagory, and the proof is in the OP for all to read and check out for themselves!

Originally Posted by kat

ALWAYS FOREVER ETERNAL EVERLASTING... humans have absolutely no concept of these as there is nothing on earth that can show us an example.

Yes, I did give 24 precious examples in my OP.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by legoman

Maybe this is a better translation (Concordant Literal):

Matt 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian

Hmm, eonian chastening, age-during punishment, or everlasting punishment. Which is it?

Verna, you have already admitted that eternal might not always mean eternal. Apparently this version doesn't believe Matt 25:46 should be translated with the word eternal either.

...LOL!!!!..........the verses I posted all fall under the #166 meaning of everlasting...which translated to mean everlasting...eternal...forever...read my OP.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

...LOL!!!!..........the verses I posted all fall under the #166 meaning of everlasting...which translated to mean everlasting...eternal...forever...read my OP.

I did read your OP. But the question remains:

How do you know that your quoted translation is correct, and the concordant literal translation is incorrect?

You are relying on a dictionary definition that simply derives its meaning based on how the KJV was translated, not on what the words actually meant. This can most clearly be seen in the translation for aion #165 and comparing how aion is used in scripture.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by legoman

I did read your OP. But the question remains:

How do you know that your quoted translation is correct, and the concordant literal translation is incorrect?

You are relying on a dictionary definition that simply derives its meaning based on how the KJV was translated, not on what the words actually meant. This can most clearly be seen in the translation for aion #165 and comparing how aion is used in scripture.

It's all Greek to me!...Greek is Greek right?...The OP has the Greek translations for "everlasting" in Greek for the Greek...right?...Right!...Greek is Greek! Ha! Ha! Ha!... You can't now say that the Greek translations of "everlasting" are a lie..now can you?...

[trettep]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

It's all Greek to me!...Greek is Greek right?...The OP has the Greek translations for "everlasting" in Greek for the Greek...right?...Right!...Greek is Greek! Ha! Ha! Ha!... You can't now say that the Greek translations of "everlasting" are a lie..now can you?...

I don't think anyone can say that aionois mean everlasting when they study the scriptures with great care.

Paul

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

It's all Greek to me!...Greek is Greek right?...The OP has the Greek translations for "everlasting" in Greek for the Greek...right?...Right!...Greek is Greek! Ha! Ha! Ha!... You can't now say that the Greek translations of "everlasting" are a lie..now can you?...

LOL Have a nice sleep tonight Verna. I'm sure we will talk more tomorrow... goodnight.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

Good Evening Phaze....

The trials and tests that we endure here on earth will never end until Jesus comes...what we do with these trials while going through them will decide where we will spend our "everlasting".

There is a dual nature here. What decision is to be made is centered through this verse.

1Jn 4:19 We' are loving God, for He' first loves us.

We have to see this from the standpoint of who has the stronger will, not based upon religious observation. This is also all to often seen from a completed context rather than the context of a process.

If this verse for a believer was as it is normally asserted then anyone who truly believed would be exactly like Jesus rather than being worked on. So if a believer who is in this process is not yet complete, then those we observe no matter how wicked and cruel are in a different stage of the process.

God allows us these trials to see where our hearts are...what our choices are, whether we choose to act according to God's will, in His character, or whether we choose to act according to our own will..giving in to our lusts... our sinful nature. Our choices show Him where we are, whether we walk in Spirit and in Truth, or we walk in our flesh.

And everyday we find a mixture of both, we will also look back on our lives in reflection and we have to see the process. We can look back and see the dual nature, we can see where we obeyed and was blatently defiant within the same frame of time. So there was a part of us that exibited a hatred and unbelief when we were defiant about one issue and in the next breath in obedience.

We were not on and off switches, it is the war within us. If the standard logic is taken to its full end and you had died in the middle of the defiant act, you died in your sin and the part of you that obeyed would not matter. If you disobey in one part, you are guilty of all.

That is the logic of the typical argument, but fortunatly, God has accounted for everything anyone will ever do.

As baby Christians, he doesn't expect us to get it right most of the time, but as we journey forward, we should be maturing, making less wrong choices, and more right choices. There does come a time when we should be grown and mature...proving by our actions (fruit), that we are filled with the Spirit of Christ, and through his power, we are able to make the right choices each time something difficult comes our way.

Well, I think we can see a variety of hills and valleys within our walks where we can see God's hand even before we "decided" anything. Our decision is not based upon our will lest we boast about our ability to recognize. It is about Gods time, bringing us all in. It is not about our decisions determining our eternal destiny, it is about our decisions determining what kind of path we take to get there.

It truly is the most wonderful feeling when faced to make a difficult decision, against your flesh, and decide to do the right thing, knowing in your heart that you did what you know pleases God...as you return "home", knowing you did the right thing, God showers His Holy Spirit upon you and all you feel is joy in knowing that God knows how much you love Him...above everything else in your life.

And each person no matter how wicked they may seem to us is a combination of the only perspective they could have based upon every experience they have ever had. Experiences down to the atomic level that we cannot even perceive.

We are told this in scripture

Ga 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith

We all know that doing good could amount to doing something that would make someone angry at us but in the end was indeed to better a person

God does not give up on doing good, in order to conform our individual will, ever.

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by trettep

Then what your preaching is CONFUSION because ETERNAL means without BEGINNING and without END. So the punishment spoken in the scriptures is referred to as ETERNAL - so that means that the punishment HAS ALWAYS EXISTED. So you have a problem with your understanding of aionios.

Paul

Why Paul, I am not confused in the least. God's Word IS EVERLASTING!...it IS ETERNAL!...it IS FOREVER!!!...