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Old 10-06-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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OUCH!!! It will be very difficult to explain that one in regards to ET
And since when does ET'ers always have to have an answer for every situational, obscure or sarcastic question?

You have the choice to not believe. You will bear the consequences of that decision. Those consequences end when you believe Jesus, not when you out-smarted him.

That opportunity is not eternal, it ends in your lifetime.
Now the lenght of time the opportunity is available depends if God allows you to or not.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I have, subjected to "futility" not vanity. Futility means the inability to achieve a goal or purpose and because of man's sin, God cursed the physical universe, no part of creation fulfills God's original purpose.
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Strong's G3153 - mataiotēs
ματαιότης


Outline of Biblical Usage
1) what is devoid of truth and appropriateness
2) perverseness, depravity
3) frailty, want of vigour



Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count Total: 3
AV vanity 3

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Strong's G3153 - mataiotēs
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Strong's Number G3153 matches the Greek ματαιότης (mataiotēs), which occurs 3 times in 3 verses in the Greek concordance of the NASB
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Rom 8:20For the creation 2937 was subjected 5293 to futility 3153, not willingly 1635, but because 1223 of Him who subjected 5293 it, in hope 1680
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:16 AM
 
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And since when does ET'ers always have to have an answer for every situational, obscure or sarcastic question?

You have the choice to not believe. You will bear the consequences of that decision. Those consequences end when you believe Jesus, not when you out-smarted him.
In that verse I have "futility" not "vanity" what do you have?
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:16 AM
 
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Christians say they are saved from the self imposed evils, which they believe exist here on earth and in the afterlife.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I agree and how does one start by doing that?
One doesn't start that at all....God starts it.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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Strong's G3153 - mataiotēs
ματαιότης


Outline of Biblical Usage
1) what is devoid of truth and appropriateness
2) perverseness, depravity
3) frailty, want of vigour........
I will stick to mine but regardless God cursed the creation because man sinned. What's the problem? we brought it on ourselves, we only have ourselves to blame.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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Eternal life is knowing and having a relationship with God
But isn't this the problem?
Every Christian denomination believes that they hold the key to knowing God personally, yet they all say different things.
Because of this I can only conclude that they all believe that they are right, so all Christians are essentially saved from doubt.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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One doesn't start that at all....God starts it.
ummmmmm...true but the bible is clear we must do something in order to have a relationship with Him.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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I have, subjected to "futility" not vanity. Futility means the inability to achieve a goal or purpose and because of man's sin, God cursed the physical universe, no part of creation fulfills God's original purpose.
So God in His all knowing foreknowledge had to change his plan because His creation didn't fulfill His original purpose?

It sounds like you are saying God made a mistake, but God does not make mistakes. This creation in all its futility and vanity does indeed fulfill a very important purpose in God's plan. It is teaching us good and evil and it is teaching us humility.

Concordant Literal:
Ecc 1:13 It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it

God did not have to react to our sin because mankind threw off God's perfect plan. NO. God indeed planned and intended for sin to occur, and then planned for salvation from that sin, so that we could learn good and evil and ultimately learn LOVE.

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Old 10-06-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ChristyGrl But isn't this the problem?
Every Christian denomination believes that they hold the key to knowing God personally, yet they all say different things.
Because of this I can only conclude that they all believe that they are right, so all Christians are essentially saved from doubt.
I don't know if that's true. I would say, every denomination believes they are following scripture in order to obtain eternal life. There is one truth, we can't all be right.
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