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Old 10-06-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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When Jesus Christ came into the world at the first advent, He came as the Messiah; the Savior. He came into the world to pay the penalty for our sins.

But when Jesus Christ returns at the second advent, He returns not as Savior, but as the righteous judge. He returns and destroys the nations that have attacked Israel. He then establishes His Millennial Kingdom where He will rule as a benevolent dictator. He will rule in love, but also in justice.

When unbelievers appear before Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation 20:11-15, at the end of the Millennium, the same Jesus Christ who appeared as Savior at His first appearance, is the same Jesus who will now pronounce in absolute justice and righteousness, that the person who rejected His free gift of salvation, now depart into the eternal lake of fire. Forever and ever. To the ages of the ages. For all eternity.

God's love motivates His grace and is why Christ came into the world to take our punishment in our place. But the Cross was the only way that God could extend His offer of salvation to sinful man which would not compromise His Holiness. In rejecting His grace offer of salvation, God's justice must now come into play. Once you have died, it is too late to change your mind. ''For it appointed unto man to die once and after this comes judgment.'' Heb. 9:27

The opportunity to ''believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved...'' Acts 16:31, is only available to you before you depart from this life. After that, God must exercise His justice in condemnation.

Just so you know!!!
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Old 10-06-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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Ahh...yes...the forgotten Jesus, the one that returns, the one people do not like to mention.
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Old 10-06-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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Ahh...yes...the forgotten Jesus, the one that returns, the one people do not like to mention.
Indeed!!!
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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Well said, Mike555.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:50 PM
 
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My heart is saddened by this obvious anticipation of enjoying some vindication by an incongruous divine revenge on all those who have evolved out of the ancient primitive mindset of savages . . . (whose brilliant contemporaries burned babies in sacrifice to Baal or Moloch . . . among other enlightened intellectual behaviors) . . . all because they do not agree with an evil doctrine that God has ANY negative human emotions.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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LOL all these people badmouthing his church and him and they are coming up to the bench in a lil bit. its like cussing the judge at break time in the hall.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:59 PM
 
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My heart is saddened by this obvious anticipation of enjoying some vindication by an incongruous divine revenge on all those who have evolved out of the ancient primitive mindset of savages . . . (whose brilliant contemporaries burned babies in sacrifice to Baal or Moloch . . . among other enlightened intellectual behaviors) . . . all because they do not agree with an evil doctrine that God has ANY negative human emotions.
Perhaps if you were to lie down and take a nap.
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Old 10-08-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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Isaiah 9:24 says, ''but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness (grace), justice, and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,'' declares the LORD.''

If a man does not adjust to the grace of God in His provision of salvation, then the justice of God will adjust to that man in eternal condemnation to the Lake of Fire.

People who recognize only God's love, and ignore the reality of God's righteousness and justice, have willingly closed their eyes to the terrible fate of those who deny that God means what He says and says what He means.

God is absolute and perfect righteousness. His perfect and absolute righteousness CANNOT have a relationship with man's relative righteousness. God has absolute perfect Norms and Standards which Must be met by any of God's creatures that would have a relationship with God.

Because God desires that all men be saved, He came into the world to pay the penalty for man's sins, so that His Holiness could be satisfied, and the problem of man's relative righteousness versus God's absolute righteousness could be resolved. By removing sin as an issue in salvation and eliminating the barrier between God and man, Christ made it possible to come to God through one simple act of faith in Him. (Christ) Now, with the barrier gone, all that is necessary is to step over the line where the barrier of sin had been. You step over that line by believing in Jesus Christ for salvation. Faith plus nothing. Just faith. All of the salvation passages speak so very plainly of this.

And yet, there are those who deny that, who ignore it, who think that at some future time, God will decide to disregard the demands of His Holy nature and bring everyone into an eternal relationship with Him, even though by rejecting Christ as Savior, they made it clear that they have no desire to have anything to do with God.

God is not 'the big guy.' He is not 'the man upstairs.' He is not Santa Claus, and He is not a sugar daddy. He is eternal and infinite almighty God Who is terrible in deeds and majestic in Glory, and Who is worthy of all praise and glorification.

Those who would come to Him must come to Him by way of the Cross. Jesus said, ''I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but through Me.'' (John 14:6)

And yet, there are those who accuse any who present this Gospel of salvation of being hateful. They present those who tell the truth about eternal condemnation for those who reject Christ as gleefully rubbing their palms together as drool drips down their cheeks as they impatiently await the casting of unbelievers into everlasting torment. Well, go figure.

1 Corinthians 1:18 ''For the word of the Cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.'' 21) ...God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (THOSE WHO BELIEVE, AND NO OTHERS.)

And this they call self righteous???
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:25 PM
 
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Isaiah 9:24 says, ''but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness (grace), justice, and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,'' declares the LORD.''

If a man does not adjust to the grace of God in His provision of salvation, then the justice of God will adjust to that man in eternal condemnation to the Lake of Fire.

People who recognize only God's love, and ignore the reality of God's righteousness and justice, have willingly closed their eyes to the terrible fate of those who deny that God means what He says and says what He means.

God is absolute and perfect righteousness. His perfect and absolute righteousness CANNOT have a relationship with man's relative righteousness. God has absolute perfect Norms and Standards which Must be met by any of God's creatures that would have a relationship with God.

Because God desires that all men be saved, He came into the world to pay the penalty for man's sins, so that His Holiness could be satisfied, and the problem of man's relative righteousness versus God's absolute righteousness could be resolved. By removing sin as an issue in salvation and eliminating the barrier between God and man, Christ made it possible to come to God through one simple act of faith in Him. (Christ) Now, with the barrier gone, all that is necessary is to step over the line where the barrier of sin had been. You step over that line by believing in Jesus Christ for salvation. Faith plus nothing. Just faith. All of the salvation passages speak so very plainly of this.

And yet, there are those who deny that, who ignore it, who think that at some future time, God will decide to disregard the demands of His Holy nature and bring everyone into an eternal relationship with Him, even though by rejecting Christ as Savior, they made it clear that they have no desire to have anything to do with God.

God is not 'the big guy.' He is not 'the man upstairs.' He is not Santa Claus, and He is not a sugar daddy. He is eternal and infinite almighty God Who is terrible in deeds and majestic in Glory, and Who is worthy of all praise and glorification.

Those who would come to Him must come to Him by way of the Cross. Jesus said, ''I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but through Me.'' (John 14:6)

And yet, there are those who accuse any who present this Gospel of salvation of being hateful. They present those who tell the truth about eternal condemnation for those who reject Christ as gleefully rubbing their palms together as drool drips down their cheeks as they impatiently await the casting of unbelievers into everlasting torment. Well, go figure.

1 Corinthians 1:18 ''For the word of the Cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.'' 21) ...God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (THOSE WHO BELIEVE, AND NO OTHERS.)

And this they call self righteous???
When did salvation begin with you ? Was it not the goodness of God that led you to repentance ? So why do you talk of man having to adjust himself to God's provision of Grace , when the adjusting begins with the goodness of God leading us to repentance.

. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

So if it's not by works(anything you and i have done) , where does this adjusting to His grace idea come from ? , bear in mind it's God that causes us to repent.

6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

My conclusion from reading your posts is you believe in a self righteous gospel
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:45 PM
 
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The opportunity to ''believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved...'' Acts 16:31, is only available to you before you depart from this life. After that, God must exercise His justice in condemnation.

Just so you know!!!


All confess Jesus as Lord by the Holy Spirit to the Glory of God the Father. NOT to the GORY of God the Father.
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