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Old 10-07-2009, 03:39 PM
 
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And the debate continues...Sharp debate at high court over cross on US land - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_mojave_cross - broken link)


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Old 10-07-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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Somehow it always makes June sad when she thinks about the fact that the real issue, namely, those who gave their lives, leaving behind grieving wives, grieving children, grieving parents, siblings, and friends, somehow seem to get lost in such angry debates...

The issue switches.

--And the deceased thereby seem to get cast aside into that much more of an invisible, unknown, forgotten role, whereby the reality of who they were is lost, once again. Only this time, amid the angry fighting.

Because they're not here to cast their vote, having died in a previous battle/fight...

For what it's worth: June has no problem with the memorial. She has far more of a problem with the deceased becoming invisible in the matter. Lost, for yet a second time; that much more silently anonymous, whereby their voices are that much more forgotten...




Take gentle care.
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Appeals court says cross on federal land is unconstitutional - CNN.com
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Somehow it always makes June sad when she thinks about the fact that the real issue, namely, those who gave their lives, leaving behind grieving wives, grieving children, grieving parents, siblings, and friends, somehow seem to get lost in such angry debates...

The issue switches.

--And the deceased thereby seem to get cast aside into that much more of an invisible, unknown, forgotten role, whereby the reality of who they were is lost, once again. Only this time, amid the angry fighting.

Because they're not here to cast their vote, having died in a previous battle/fight...

For what it's worth: June has no problem with the memorial. She has far more of a problem with the deceased becoming invisible in the matter. Lost, for yet a second time; that much more silently anonymous, whereby their voices are that much more forgotten...




Take gentle care.
This Atheist would not want the symbol of christianity to memorialize my service to my country had I not returned.
I'm sure that a significant portion of non-christian's would feel the same, including those that follow a different religion.

The choices that my generation faced, given the fact the Viet Nam war was not in the defense of this country, was to either go to Canada, or serve this country. I chose to stay and serve, and the only appropriate symbol I find acceptable would be the US Flag.

Christians are free to believe whatever they want, but they are not free to memorialize all that died in service to this country with their symbol.
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:35 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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This Atheist would not want the symbol of christianity to memorialize my service to my country had I not returned.
I'm sure that a significant portion of non-christian's would feel the same, including those that follow a different religion.

The choices that my generation faced, given the fact the Viet Nam war was not in the defense of this country, was to either go to Canada, or serve this country. I chose to stay and serve, and the only appropriate symbol I find acceptable would be the US Flag.

Christians are free to believe whatever they want, but they are not free to memorialize all that died in service to this country with their symbol.
You and I are vets of the same era, I agree with your assessment, good post, it wouldn't let me rep ya, gotta spread around et al. Thanks!
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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This Atheist would not want the symbol of christianity to memorialize my service to my country had I not returned.
I'm sure that a significant portion of non-christian's would feel the same, including those that follow a different religion.

The choices that my generation faced, given the fact the Viet Nam war was not in the defense of this country, was to either go to Canada, or serve this country. I chose to stay and serve, and the only appropriate symbol I find acceptable would be the US Flag.

Christians are free to believe whatever they want, but they are not free to memorialize all that died in service to this country with their symbol.

I agree! The symbol ought to speak to all who served and a cross cannot do that. A US flag can.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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The Christ on the cross served those who have fallen, and who will fall.
I don't think the debate is necessary, in either side of the faith.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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You and I are vets of the same era, I agree with your assessment, good post, it wouldn't let me rep ya, gotta spread around et al. Thanks!

Dusty, make that three of us from the same era.. and I agree with Asheville's assessment also.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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The Christ on the cross served those who have fallen, and who will fall.
I don't think the debate is necessary, in either side of the faith.
Nope, sorry that is not the case. History indicates that crosses were a method of execution, but there was no christ or son of any god executed on one, just regular people, those sentenced to death, either justly or unjustly.
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:32 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Dusty, make that three of us from the same era.. and I agree with Asheville's assessment also.
Dang, I knew there was something about you two guys that I liked, I understand the thought process. Thanks!
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