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Old 10-13-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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Alan, I know you had said once that it gets on your nerves when people use these silly little icons to respond . . . but I LOVE them . . .
My view of the smiles is that once in a while they are fine.

But when you start to use them on every darn post, and you start to allow them to carry a lot of the meaning of your post, then we are drawing closer to the day where all we do is post smiles to each other back and forth.

smiles are short cuts to really posting your views , and are best left behind in the teenage forums.


Now, as for my subject in that post......

The Bibel says that Jesus made "all things"
If Jesus is not God almighty, then he is a created thing...

But because the bible says he created "ALL" THINGS" we know he is God because there are only to camps in that sentence,
#1 - God
# 2 - Ecverything else

If Jesus was never made, then he is not a thing, and so that leaves only that he is God....
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:20 PM
 
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I assumed as much but you can take credit or blame for how you interpret it.
I believe I was responding to the question as to why something does not appear in the Bible in the manner and with the correct wording that you would prefer?

I dont think you were asking why I interpret it the way i do....


All I was pointing out is that because I did not write the Bible, I cant answer as to why something appears or why it does not appera in the manner it does.,

I can tel you "if" is appears, or "if" it does not appear.

as for the "why?" question,better go ask God, it's his handwork.l
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:24 PM
 
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Again this makes no sense..... If Jesus was God... and maker of all things why again did he need God the Father's help?
Because he is also 100% human too!

I think it tells us in Philippians where he emptied himself of his right to act as God, and had to from then on rely completely on the Father for all the works that he did.

In other words...

Jesus is fully human , just like I am.
I have to pray to the Father in Heaven for all the works that He wants me to do.
Jesus did the same....

so this is why I know and can trust that Jesus understands what it is like to be human....

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Old 10-13-2009, 10:28 PM
 
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AND there are countless (literally) scriptures where Jesus is shown as separate from God as we are separate from God.
Oh yes, Jesus is not God the Father....
Jesus is completely human...

as a normal human , Jesus had to rely completely on the Father just like you and I do.

Remember the "Incarnation" is = God became Man
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:32 PM
 
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My view of the smiles is that once in a while they are fine.

But when you start to use them on every darn post, and you start to allow them to carry a lot of the meaning of your post, then we are drawing closer to the day where all we do is post smiles to each other back and forth.

smiles are short cuts to really posting your views , and are best left behind in the teenage forums.


I don't view them as shortcuts . . . . when someone posts something that I wholeheartedly agree with . . . and they expressed my beliefs . . . why repeat something . . . when a thumbs up will do . . .

Anyway, I agree with you, and wanted you to know that . . .
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:33 PM
 
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but also the Master of the father
Master of the Father?

Nope...I never said that.

Jesus is the Creator of all things.
He himself is not a "created thing" because the Bible says he created "all things"

Just think about that one sentence in the Bible when it says that Jesus created "all things"
If Jesus is not God Almighty, then he is a created thing...

Oh you might think he is a special thing, or that he is a very powerful thing, or a very old thing...but you got to admit that unless you are God almighty you are a created thing

But the Bible says Jesus made all things....
This means that Jesus can not be a created thing because that would mean he is one of the things he created...and that is crazy.
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:35 PM
 
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Anyway, I agree with you, and wanted you to know that . . .
Thanks!
I like to hear that I have found some support on the forum,,,
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:39 PM
 
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I say.. "My God! I realize it now" to my husband.. am I calling him God?
No but you are cussing in front of your husband.
You are taking the Name of the Lord in vain
You are breaking the Commandment of God at that point.
And, even if you dont know this, or mean this, the very fact that you cussed in front of your husband is showing him a lack of respect.

Had Tomas cussed like that in front of the Lord, he would have been showing Jesus a lack of respect

....can you guess what the reaction of Jesus would be to it?

Had Jesus said nothing, then Jesus wold be just as guilty of breaking the Commandment, and that would mean he is not the Christ and we need to look for another....

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Old 10-13-2009, 10:47 PM
 
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Thomas' confession is ........ Thomas, a Jew, used a mode of expression common to the Old Testament in which accredited representatives of God are referred to as "God". Angels are called "God"

All of that I can tell you copied out of some book or websitet

(I think you know my feelings about that kind of post...LOL

When people, (even well meaning people) start to just post stuff on the forum that you got from a website it means that the conversation I am in is over.
Im no longer talking to a person, Im talking to a website.

Websites cant think for themselves...So there is no point in the conversation at that point.)



I just will point out that such a post is a lot of words that are attempting to show us how it is ok to call Jesus "God" without it meaning that he is God...

I will just say that,
well,
thats a lot of work, to do to just not admit that the Bible does in fact call Jesus "God",,,,,,

and...(And here comes the funny part of this post)
and....

Telling me that when the Bible calls Jesus "God" it is just an expression, is to admit to me that the Bible does call him God....

and that is what I have been saying from the start.....LOL
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I believe I was responding to the question as to why something does not appear in the Bible in the manner and with the correct wording that you would prefer?

I dont think you were asking why I interpret it the way i do....


All I was pointing out is that because I did not write the Bible, I cant answer as to why something appears or why it does not appera in the manner it does.,

I can tel you "if" is appears, or "if" it does not appear.

as for the "why?" question,better go ask God, it's his handwork.l
Actually you are saying that the trinity is not shown in the bible but it is there. That Jesus is God even though he doesn't say it, but it's there. I call that interpretation.
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