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Old 08-16-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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The concept is that we learn and share as civilization continues.
Certainly. But that does not mean contempt for those in the past simply because they did not have the technology or the knowledge that is available to us today. We stand on their shoulders, after all.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Am I the only gay person who doesn't give a hoot that some priests approve of my behavior? Whether they approve or not, I know I'm a good person. I don't need them telling me I am to feel good about myself, and I certainly don't need their assurance that God doesn't care either.
I don't think you are the problem being addressed, it is those who don't realize that who need the information.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Am I the only gay person who doesn't give a hoot that some priests approve of my behavior? Whether they approve or not, I know I'm a good person. I don't need them telling me I am to feel good about myself, and I certainly don't need their assurance that God doesn't care either.
You are probably not the only one. This whole topic is being used as a tool in anti-Christian attacks. Anyone who does not agree with certain things is accused of hatred and bigotry, and the name-callers are usually not gay, but others who resent Christians in general.
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Old 08-16-2016, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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You are probably not the only one. This whole topic is being used as a tool in anti-Christian attacks. Anyone who does not agree with certain things is accused of hatred and bigotry, and the name-callers are usually not gay, but others who resent Christians in general.
Keep your day job.
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Old 08-16-2016, 09:51 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Pardon me, Trout, but how does lacking access to the internet makes the ancient people inferior or not worthy of paying attention to? You may disagree with their philosophies or not believe in their god - but dismiss them simply because they had not internet and no 21st-century education? Some of the brightest minds in history had neither.
That bit was obviously tongue-in-cheek and only meant to emphasize that they were largely uneducated, primitive peoples living in primitive times with a not-coincidentally primitive understanding of the world.
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Old 08-16-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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That bit was obviously tongue-in-cheek and only meant to emphasize that they were largely uneducated, primitive peoples living in primitive times with a not-coincidentally primitive understanding of the world.
Yes, and my whole issue was with you calling the people of the past primitive. Maybe they did not have all the knowledge that we have, but they did have wisdom according to the amount of knowledge they did have. Who knows, maybe in some ways - like the instinctive understanding of the natural world - we are primitive and inferior to them, not the other way. We have the internet knowledge, but they had the knowledge from experience.
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:23 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Yes, and my whole issue was with you calling the people of the past primitive. Maybe they did not have all the knowledge that we have, but they did have wisdom according to the amount of knowledge they did have. Who knows, maybe in some ways - like the instinctive understanding of the natural world - we are primitive and inferior to them, not the other way. We have the internet knowledge, but they had the knowledge from experience.
If that's what you think, I won't try to disabuse you of the notion.

I stand by my use of the word.
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Old 08-16-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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Yes, and my whole issue was with you calling the people of the past primitive. Maybe they did not have all the knowledge that we have, but they did have wisdom according to the amount of knowledge they did have. Who knows, maybe in some ways - like the instinctive understanding of the natural world - we are primitive and inferior to them, not the other way. We have the internet knowledge, but they had the knowledge from experience.
I believe the ancient people were quite intelligent. They built great cities and structures. They invented ways to survive that I doubt many people of our time period could have conjured up like refrigeration in a desert which still exists today.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhchal
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Old 08-16-2016, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I believe the ancient people were quite intelligent. They built great cities and structures. They invented ways to survive that I doubt many people of our time period could have conjured up like refrigeration in a desert which still exists today.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhchal
And they often conducted themselves in many ways quite callously if not viciously.
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:19 PM
 
Location: GOVERNMENT of TRAITORS & NAZIS
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I believe the ancient people were quite intelligent. They built great cities and structures. They invented ways to survive that I doubt many people of our time period could have conjured up like refrigeration in a desert which still exists today.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhchal

And yet all they succeeded in was destroying themselves in the name of their gods.
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