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Old 10-11-2009, 09:44 PM
 
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against that idea is the over riding teaching that you can not do evil that good may come.

Thus all abortion is evil...
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:48 PM
 
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against that idea is the over riding teaching that you can not do evil that good may come.

Thus all abortion is evil...

Yeah, maybe it is a sin for the person committing the abortions, but not for the babies ... And as many fundies believe, if you believe in Jesus all your sins are forgiven ... In this case it would be a sin of mercy right?
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Here is a scary thought ... If babies get a free pass out of everlasting torment ... Wouldn't it be better for Christians to just kill babies before they become whatever age it is that makes you accountable to sin? I mean seeing as the vast majority of humans that are not babies are doomed to everlasting hell if what fundamentalists believe about those sorta things is true.

I mean abortion doctors are really doing a service for most of the babies they abort after all then right?

You see where this kind if belief system eventually leads to? It is after all a valid point if you believe in ET ...

This thought really starts making frightening sense when you understand the doctrine of election.
Think about it... this is true.. If a baby is innocent until it willfully sins... the if you kill it while it is innocent (an abortionist) the you are doing a good thing!! YAY abortionists... is that the doctrine of ET? That abortionists are saving sinners left and right?
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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Think about it... this is true.. If a baby is innocent until it willfully sins... the if you kill it while it is innocent (an abortionist) the you are doing a good thing!! YAY abortionists... is that the doctrine of ET? That abortionists are saving sinners left and right?
Fundamentalits hate it when you start asking the hard questions and logically considering their doctrines to the full extent.
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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Yeah, maybe it is a sin for the person committing the abortions, but not for the babies ... And as many fundies believe, if you believe in Jesus all your sins are forgiven ... In this case it would be a sin of mercy right?

Right so all ETers are pro-abortion..

Save the sinner before he/she sins! promote abortion before the sinner manifests and is sent to hell!

Well... if you believe that is true then you can believe ET.... otherwise newborn babies that die without belief are doomed to ET or hell...



(BTW... I already stated that I don't believe in hell and that babies (as do all humans) go to heaven when they die... so I really think abortionists are not doing the world any great service... but then who am I to say what someone does with their body? I have 4 kids and having another makes abortion look peachy simply from a financial standpoint... I know TMI- Too Much Information )
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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"death came to all men, because all sinned" Doesn't "all mean all" ?

but "never doesn't mean never" .....convenient

Doesn't death mean death?


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Old 10-11-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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again, you have a clear teaching in the Bible that says you can not do evil that good may come.

So you can not kill people before they are born to help them get to heaven....
Nor can you kill Jews because they need to repent after they die....

Nor can you rape little kids so that God can have a chance to forgive you later...

You can not do evil that good might come from it...
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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Think about it... this is true.. If a baby is innocent until it willfully sins... the if you kill it while it is innocent (an abortionist) the you are doing a good thing!! YAY abortionists... is that the doctrine of ET? That abortionists are saving sinners left and right?
This is the exact line of thought which is the inevitable product of the doctrine of ET that led to the dark ages and to the inquisitions and all the other crimes against humanity perpetrated by the "Church" throughout the last 1400 years.
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:21 PM
 
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Are new born babies who are not saved and who have not excepted Jesus as their lord and savior, comdemned to hell?
NO NO NO.

NO.

And just in case you weren't sure, NO.

Corollary: Are there any new born babies who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and savior?
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:28 PM
 
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again, you have a clear teaching in the Bible that says you can not do evil that good may come.

So you can not kill people before they are born to help them get to heaven....
Nor can you kill Jews because they need to repent after they die....

Nor can you rape little kids so that God can have a chance to forgive you later...

You can not do evil that good might come from it...
It doesn't matter what the bible says people who dont believe in it. I am sure most if not all abortionists are not fundamental Christians. And the doctrine of ET must only give them more incentive to abort babies just in case fundamentalists are right. How many Christians do you know that are abortion doctors anyway?

However, i know plenty of Christians who believe that the ends justify the means, look at all the wars America, "the Christians nations", has waged causing countless innocents to die just to get oil or stabilize the region ...

Iraq didn't even attack us, but the right-wing Christians were all gung-ho about go over their a setting things straight after 911 ... You know how many innocent Iraqui's have died in that war, or how about our own soldiers ... Whatever ...
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