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Old 04-10-2016, 09:52 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Amen! Let God be God. It is written, "Shall the God of the whole earth do wrong." and "His judgments are past finding out."
Exactly.
Nowhere does God say\reveal that infants are not accountable.

Nowhere does God say\reveal that infants are without sin.

Nowhere does God say\reveal that infants are incapable of having faith.

Nowhere does God say\reveal that every scenario results in being condemned or not.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Thank you twin, that was an enlightening post.


Welcome to twin's perception of God, everyone.....you can have my share.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Are new born babies who are not saved and who have not excepted Jesus as their lord and savior, comdemned to hell?
That's up to God. We don't get saved by a prayer. We get saved by Jesus.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Thank you twin, that was an enlightening post.


Welcome to twin's perception of God, everyone.....you can have my share.
Are you able to actually answer twin's points? Or are you just going to insult him instead? That's what's telling.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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Is there some experiment we could run in order to determine the correct answer to this question? Perhaps the Christian God has the answer...anyone have his contact information?

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Old 04-13-2016, 12:29 PM
 
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What I see reading here is a number of people who seem to feel that God might send babies and children to Hell.


Amazing .
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:29 PM
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Babies only require saving from religious fundamentalists.
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Old 04-13-2016, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Are Babies Who Have Not Been Saved Comdemned To Hell?
The Bible says the wages of sin is death, but a baby, or an aborted baby, would be innocent of sins. How can a baby sin, or reject Christ? As we become older our sin nature ensures all will sin.

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Old 04-13-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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While the Bible teaches that we are all born into the world under condemnation (John 3:18; Romans chapter 5) and that eternal salvation or deliverance from that condemnation is though trusting in the finished redemptive work of Christ Jesus on the cross (John 3:16,36), I don't for one moment believe that either babies, or anyone, regardless of age, who is unable to understand the issue because of some kind of mental deficiency, will be eternally separated from God in the lake of fire, or anywhere else. The reason is because of God's justice. God is perfectly just, perfectly fair.

Because God does require a volitional response on our part to the gospel message of salvation in order to be saved, it would not be just or fair for God to leave in condemnation anyone who departs from this life who simply was unable to make the required volitional decision because he didn't have the necessary mental ability to understand the issue. And so, I think it entirely reasonable that God automatically saves such persons because of Jesus' redemptive work which was for all mankind. Now, a baby who dies before having been able to personally sin is still imputed with Adam's original sin, but Jesus died for that sin also.

Our personal sins are not the issue in eternal salvation for the simple reason that Christ's redemptive work on the cross paid the penalty for our sins and therefore removed them as an issue. The issue then is whether or not you will place your faith entirely in Jesus Christ for eternal life. Anyone who develops mentally sufficiently to be able to conceive of the concept of some kind of a creator becomes accountable to God at that point. If at that point of being able to conceive of a creator, a person has a desire to know the true God, and God knows who does and who doesn't, then God will see to it that he has a chance to hear the gospel message pertaining to Jesus Christ so that he can either accept it as true, or reject it.

But again, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that because God is just, because He is fair, He will automatically save anyone who departs this life before having become accountable to God to make a volition choice he simply was unable to make because he couldn't understand the issue due to lack of mental capacity.

So while we are all born under condemnation, and for those who are accountable, personal faith in Christ Jesus is necessary in order to be delivered from that condemnation, I think anyone who dies before becoming accountable, due to lack of mental comprehension, is automatically saved based on the cross.

I understand that some denominations believe in 'the age of accountability', and some don't. But the 'age of accountability' is not to be thought of as some specific age for all people, such as 'four', or 'six', or 'ten', but rather, a person becomes volitionally accountable to God at the moment of what I call 'God consciousness'; that moment when he first becomes aware of the concept of a Creator or Supreme Being.
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Old 04-13-2016, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Babies only require saving from religious fundamentalists.
LOL, probably right, how bout the ones who say Hitler is saved because he believed in Christ?
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