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Old 06-05-2016, 11:25 PM
 
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You do not have an answer. You have blind faith in ancient ignorance, barbarity, and dogma. Wrong! Jesus is not our Gift-Giver. He is our Savior. That means He saves us. We have nothing to do with it. The churches wanted membership and a reason to belong so they created this Gift nonsense. Saviors do NOT merely give you a gift. They actually SAVE you. Jesus saved us ALL. It is finished. There is no Hell that is a judgment and punishment from God on ANY specific behaviors. Whatever we do to hurt or harm others in the selfish pursuit of our lives will produce consequences that we will have to face after our death if we do not repent before our death. BTW, repentance is NOT merely being remorseful, apologizing and asking for forgiveness. It is a complete renewing of your heart and mind.Absolute nonsense! There was no Fall, just our first lesson in right and wrong - Good and Evil. God did NOT take back our Dominion. HE does not renege on His word and Sovereign Will. We are IT down here so expecting God to do anything physical about our situation here is fruitless. He ONLY concerns Himself with our Spiritual (read: Consciousness) state of mind. He will help us to cope, have strength to endure and have hope. Dominion means Dominion. All the evil in humanity is on US, period. All the lack of agape love and lack of mercy and lack of compassion is on US.
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I am done with this conversation as it is apparent the I will never get you to remove your blinders nor will you get me to place them on.
You are already wearing blinders and they do not bode well for your soul. I see clearly and understand God as Jesus revealed Him to be. You do not see at all and understand God as our ignorant , barbaric ancestors believed Him to be. Guess who I think is right?? As a Christian, I choose Jesus over your barbaric God.
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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However, Jesus was addressing the Roman soldiers that God should forgive those Roman soldiers because those soldiers know not what they do.
Jesus was Not addressing forgetting or forgiving all the horrors of mankind's actions.
Those of Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6 are Not forgiven, are they ? _______
Sin is either: on purpose or not, willfull or not, by accident or not, premeditated or not, intentional or not.
If we do Not repent ( turn around ) we will perish ( be destroyed ) - 2nd Peter 3:9
Jesus was not only forgiving the soldiers: God would hardened hearts to achieve His will as in : Exo_7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

He hardened the High priests hearts to blind them as in : Joh_12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.


You see, humanity as a whole had to be redeemed absolutely.

The horrors of mankind are of mankind's makings. Their wages of sin was death....as it is for all of us.

"If we do Not repent ( turn around ) we will perish ( be destroyed )"

Questions for you based on your quote above.

Were we not in a state of perishing from Adam? If yes, then how much more could we possibly perish?

The only alternative left is to be saved from being already perished....via ADAM.

Enter: Jesus

One can be saved immediately upon renewing of our spirits via the Spirit of Jesus in the form of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings, AJ
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Gentleman and ladies,

There is only but one entity know to many by many different names. The only thing that is consistent with that entity is love.

If, our love is not being exercised within the scope of the entities exercise of His love, then our beliefs are marred and in need of redemption.

Blessings, AJ
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