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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
No one is righteous, and that includes you. Does that mean you are going to hell?
Crying is not sinful. What sins do new born babies or aborted babies commit?
None.
And their minds are not governed by wickedness either, because that comes later as they grow up.
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The bold finn is silly ! As you know full well that twin has believed and turned and repented and to make that statement is unbelievable ! There is no comparison with using babies and an adult who knows to make the choice . It seems you are arguing to be arguing !!
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
That's not the issue at hand.
Never said crying was.
There is
- sins - plural resulting from thought, word and action on a person's part
and then there is
- sin - singular resulting from original condition of
"Flesh gives birth to flesh"
"In sin my mother conceived me"
both truths are from God thus making apparent what the self answer of "none" is.
The gift from God is faith by grace, not the gift of God is human choice or reason. |
What twin is trying to show you finn and everyone on this thread is that everyone of us are born with the sin nature and that there is the reason we all, baby, child or adult are headed for hell .
We are dead in our trespasses and sins, born with the curse because of Adam and Eves disobedience and are promised to all who are born from that time forward to be born with the curse, the sin nature that opposes every thing according to God's will . No one is exempted from this curse !
Regardless of our feelings, emotions about the thought of a tiny baby and their supposed innocence !! They along with everyone else are born with the nature to be our own god, to do our own thing rather then doing what God wills !!
I understand what twin is saying, no matter what everyone of us is born with that curse hanging over our lives, blinded to the will of God even while we were conceived and in our Mothers womb . What you fail to understand it doesn't matter whether it be baby, child or adult we all are in this predicament together and are in a need of a Savior . And it is up to God who will allow, permit a person to come to that age where one understands this dilemma and have been given the blessed opportunity to repent of our nature of unbelief as He knows our beginning and our end of life ! Who will repent and who will not believe Him !
People forget God does not think or do as men does, He even says that in His word,
"Isaiah 55:7-9 (NASB)
7 Let the wicked forsake his way
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
And let him return to the Lord,
And He will have compassion on him,
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts."
I believe there is going to be a lot of things once we are face to face with God in our day of judgement that will surprise the heck out of us of what we declared to be from God and are wrong at so many levels and placed it upon Him !
And yes, Finn, everyone of the scripture that twin has given speaks of the testimony that babies are not exempted from this dilemma !! As you have not provided God's truth only your feelings on this subject which in judgement our feelings of what is fair or not will not count in the face of God Almighty. Yet it shows a act of defiance toward Him and His will for mankind !! Sorry, and I do mean that sincerely, but that is what I believe !!
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Originally Posted by garya123
This bears repeating again because God is the God of comfort for the soul of parents.
1COR 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but they are now Holy." Their Angels do always behold the face of the Father. This is the irrevocable Word of God. Holiness allows children to come into the presence of God now and then latter if they die in that state as adult.
The children are made Holy/free of their inherited sin and He takes away their committed and ignorant sins daily when young but when they become older they must take up the cross daily as everyone else has to. This Scripture is speaking to believers children for believers peace of mind toward their children and especially if they die young.
Non believers do not care but that does not mean that God has no plan for their children also because He does and desires that all be saved.
But who know which, children of believers or non believers will be saved in the end when all come to the age of accountability because It is written;
MT 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
MT 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
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Thank you Gary for this scripture and this is the very reason I am glad God is God and don't have to deal with this dilemma about babies going to heaven or hell .
That scripture brought comfort to me many of times when it came to my hb and son and their unbelief and choosing not to listen to God . Yet, my hb has finely come to the place he now believes the gospel of Jesus Christ and repented of his sin and lives for Christ. Eighteen yrs I lived and dealt with his hatred toward God . But I stayed on my knees till I saw heaven come down upon his life, amen !! And that very scripture brought peace at many times to get me through those difficult times !
Nothing worse in this world then to live with a man that hates God
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
The verses point out that babies are infected with original sin from conception which Jesus specifically phrases it as "flesh gives birth to flesh".
The verses also unequivocally rebut all false teachings that babies are sinless or at worst neutral when conceived\born.
The verses also unequivocally rebut the lie that faith and wickedness aren't present in a baby in the womb.
Finally, if allowed to speak for themselves, God is very clear that all humanity at any age is infected with sin, which all are accountable to.
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Where I do not go (purposefully) is provide a blanket yes\no definitive answer in a area where God remains silent in.
It is a satanical desire to peer into the Judge's domain and presuppose your conclusion, no less than to presuppose otherwise to your conclusion.
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Awe, you posted this when I was writing mine and is everything I was trying to say !!
Thank you for the confirmation on what God was trying to get me to see through this whole thread . As I too was struggling with the thought of babies yet God has revealed His truth to my heart . Difficult to accept but it is faith that God knows what He is doing and am grateful for Him regardless of my emotions, amen !!
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