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Old 11-01-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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Paul would have wrote a letter to you both. And it wouldn't be good.

You folks believe in free-will? Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross and spilled His precious blood for the forgiveness of the sins of mankind? If you answered true to both, which I think is a good possibility, then understand one other incredibly important fact that you seem to overlook.

Mary, using her free-will, agreed to be the vessel for the Messiah and Redemptor of mankind. If she says no to the angel, there's no Jesus, and no hope of salvation for the rest of us. So without Mary, YOU are DOOMED. Was Mary role and actions important in your salvation? You betcha it was. And you better start appreciating it. And you know another reason you should appreciate Mary? Because she is Jesus' mother, that's why?
Jesus never called Mary HIS mother.

You inflate her to someone she is and was not. Jesus did not either.

Here is what Jesus said when someone wanted to elevate Mary...

Luke 11
27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:51 AM
 
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Paul would have wrote a letter to you both. And it wouldn't be good.

You folks believe in free-will? Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross and spilled His precious blood for the forgiveness of the sins of mankind? If you answered true to both, which I think is a good possibility, then understand one other incredibly important fact that you seem to overlook.

Mary, using her free-will, agreed to be the vessel for the messiah and redemptor of mankind. If she says no to the angel, there's no Jesus, and no hope of salvation for the rest of us. So without Mary, YOU are DOOMED. Was Mary role and actions important in your salvation? You betcha it was. And you better start appreciating it. And you know another reason you should appreciate Mary? Because she is Jesus' mother, that's why?
Im afraid that the apostle Paul DID write a letter to you and I in Galatians 1:6-10 particularly....and it vehemently blasts a 'gospel' that does not nor cannot save a person from their sins such as an obedient human teenage girl who is elevated to Co-redemptrix and Co-saviour WITH Christ and who none can come to except if she (Mary) enables it (to quote a JP2 Marion Prayer given in public, verbatim) . Mary was indeed a very special person who was chosen to carry the Saviour , but in no way did she nor could she partake in atoning for the sins of mankind --- it demanded the blood of a perfect sacrifice to appease God and that strict honor goes to only Jesus Christ , the Son of the living God who is capable of claiming such a victory . A self proclaimed Sinner who Mary said of herself, does not qualify in the sharing of mankinds redemption and it is none other than a trick of Satans to fool people into thinking so., for, Satans MO is to defame, diminish, and demote the person of Christ and his finished accomplishments .

Are you going to allow Satan to continue to diminish the total glory which God thru Christ deserves ? That would be a slick counterfiet attempt which sounds quite plausible , but is a deliberate calculated fraud.
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Mary was, as a fellow believer in God, simply a servant of God. Through faith God used her as a vessel to perform His will. As fellow believers we are ALL vessels for God to perform His will. Mary is no different than you, me or any other believer. Do you not believe that God performs His will through you?

"I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.

Jesus was God's servant, and we as believers are servants of Jesus, doing the will of God.

And everyone of us, Mary included was born into sin.

Romans 3:23: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 5:12: Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--

... Not all but Mary...
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:00 AM
 
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Im afraid that the apostle Paul DID write a letter to you and I in Galatians 1:6-10 particularly....and it vehemently blasts a 'gospel' that does not nor cannot save a person from their sins such as an obedient human teenage girl who is elevated to Co-redemptrix and Co-saviour WITH Christ and who none can come to except if she (Mary) enables it (to quote a JP2 Marion Prayer given in public, verbatim) . Mary was indeed a very special person who was chosen to carry the Saviour , but in no way did she nor could she partake in atoning for the sins of mankind --- it demanded the blood of a perfect sacrifice to appease God and that strict honor goes to only Jesus Christ , the Son of the living God who is capable of claiming such a victory . A self proclaimed Sinner who Mary said of herself, does not qualify in the sharing of mankinds redemption and it is none other than a trick of Satans to fool people into thinking so., for, Satans MO is to defame, diminish, and demote the person of Christ and his finished accomplishments .

Are you going to allow Satan to continue to diminish the total glory which God thru Christ deserves ? That would be a slick counterfiet attempt which sounds quite plausible , but is a deliberate calculated fraud.
AMEN !!

God will not share His Glory with anyone.
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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AMEN !!

God will not share His Glory with anyone.
Well, some day Jesus will have a word with you about your utter disrespect to His Mother. Free-will, and all.
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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Mary was, as a fellow believer in God, simply a servant of God. Through faith God used her as a vessel to perform His will. As fellow believers we are ALL vessels for God to perform His will. Mary is no different than you, me or any other believer. Do you not believe that God performs His will through you?



And everyone of us, Mary included was born into sin.
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God use ordinary people to accomplish his will if we are cooperative to the Holy Spirits leading and prompting, including myself . But God does not give us his abilities of omniscience, omnipresents, and omnipotence as the RCC has decreed and to which public papal prayers explicitly denote to the masses .Example :

To you, Mother of human family and of the nations,
we confidently entrust the whole humanity,
with its hopes and fears.
Do not let it lack the light of true wisdom.
Guide its steps in the ways of peace.
Enable all to meet Christ,
the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith
and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God
and our Mother, Mary! -- John Paul II

This is nothing more than madeup fine sounding heresy which a Believer of only slight maturity in his/her faith should be able to figure out providing they dont demean the truth of Gods Word.

According to RCC doctrine, Mary is sinless http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160_16.asp. for the exact RCC Catechism reference . So, what are you going to do .... obey yet another madeup contradictory doctrine or go with the unchanging / infallable Word of God ?
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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After the British Army spent decades in Northern Ireland they have at least achieved a cease fire.

People that believe in absurdities will always find absurd reasons to hate.... a reality proven time and time again throughout history.
The northern Ireland debacle is really about politics and the disagreement about is Northern Ireland part of Ireland or part of the British empire.

The division of Catholic and Protestant is merely an easy way of dividing what side your on.
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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You are not paying attention, Twin . . . This all agrees with ME. The scriptures were ALL about who Christ is, how to know when He arrived, what He would do and how to validate His status. etc. . . . NOT what His message (Gospel) was or what God wanted Him to teach us. If the OT scriptures had that in them . . . why would Christ need to teach us anything???
And I would say you're not paying attention. Jesus refereed to the OT Bible ( the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms) for a reason, the OT scriptures do in fact has the Gospel and purpose is to point to Jesus because that would verify him as the true God.

The OT has the Gospel message of love and the OT people who believed that were saved. The purpose of Jesus' coming was to fulfill that Gospel message told to humans, not what God was telling Jesus to say.

You appear to totally not understand the OT scriptures...what they are, there purpose and the significance of them. Most people understand that a written decree from a king carries the same authority as if they heard the actual words physically. If a person rejects the written decree, then it would be considered the same as rejecting the king himself.

No less is the same of the Bible (OT or both OT & NT). Hostility toward the Bible is equivalent to being hostile to God...even by human standards as a subject would be to a king.

The Bible is God's decree about:
  • the human condition,
  • the consequences of that condition,
  • the solution of God for humanity by God himself carrying out that solution,
  • the consequences of believing vs. not believing that God provides the 100% substitute solution to the barrier
    • OT was the perfect blood sacrifice of the lamb (which pointed to Jesus)
    • NT was the perfect blood sacrifice of the Lamb ( Jesus)
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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God use ordinary people to accomplish his will if we are cooperative to the Holy Spirits leading and prompting, including myself . But God does not give us his abilities of omniscience, omnipresents, and omnipotence as the RCC has decreed and to which public papal prayers explicitly denote to the masses . That is nothing more than madeup fine sounding heresy which a Believer of only slight maturity in his/her faith should be able to figure out .

According to RCC doctrine, Mary is sinless Catholic doctrine: 'Mary: Saved from birth' compared to Scripture.. for the exact RCC Catechism reference . So, what are you going to do .... obey yet another madeup contradictory doctrine or go with the unchanging / infallable Word of God ?
I supposed you guys know more than the Early Church Fathers. You know, the ones that were taught by the Apostles and the disciples of the Apostles. Heck, what would those folks know compared to folks living 2000 years later. Comparatively, nothing apparently.

Educate yourself. It's your only hope.
http://www.earlychristians.org/docs_interest/Mary.html
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Well, some day Jesus will have a word with you about your utter disrespect to His Mother. Free-will, and all.
Mary should be respected but not glorified and deified and given special powers that only God himself has. Nor should a statue of Mary be bowed down to as JP2 did frequently . Having FreeWill doesnt excuse us from compromising Gods Word so madeup church traditions can continue . I think some day Jesus will have some words to say with you concerning how his atonement for sins was completely sufficient and didnt just open a door for you to finish the uncompleted project by infusing earthly works , deeds, alms, relying on other deceased catholics deposited works for your own salvation . That isnt the Gospel that saves ... its only by the blood of Jesus that people are saved, efficaciously and totally . Please dont get this messed up because there is nothing more important .
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