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Old 10-14-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him...

That about sums up the whole issue right there...it doesn't say the one's who repent, it doesn't say the one's who say a believers prayer, it doesn't say the one who suddenly recognizes Christ...it says NO ONE!! Coming to Christ is a work of God from first to last...there is no in between.

Why is it that no one believes in the Sovereignty of God anymore?
Your a trip. You universalist say, we are dogmatic yet you are so dogamtic about this somehow we who believe different don't believe in the sovereignty of God?
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Your a trip. You universalist say, we are dogmatic yet you are so dogamtic about this somehow we who believe different don't believe in the sovereignty of God?
Do you believe that it is man "Freewill" choice whether or not they follow God?
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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Do you believe that it is man "Freewill" choice whether or not they follow God?
I believe as you do that it is God who saves BUT the arminians and with good reason believe free will does play a part, and they have scripture to support it thus we have a paradox.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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I believe as you do that it is God who saves BUT the arminians and with good reason believe free will does play a part, and they have scripture to support it thus we have a paradox.
The Paradox is solved when you take into consideration the Sovereignty of God. God is in control of everything and that everything...includes us. Arminians just hate giving up the illusion of freewill.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him...

That about sums up the whole issue right there...it doesn't say the one's who repent, it doesn't say the one's who say a believers prayer, it doesn't say the one who suddenly recognizes Christ...it says NO ONE!! Coming to Christ is a work of God from first to last...there is no in between.

Why is it that no one believes in the Sovereignty of God anymore?
The way that God draws man to Him is through the Gospel. ''Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.'' (Romans 10:17)

It is by the Sovereign decision of God that man has free will. And by God's own Sovereign decision, He will not interfere with man's decision to either believe in Christ for salvation, or to reject Christ and remain under comdemnation. This is the very reason man is here on this earth. To choose one way or the other. And God honors that decision.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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repentence that is the easy part.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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The Paradox is solved when you take into consideration the Sovereignty of God. God is in control of everything and that everything...includes us. Arminians just hate giving up the illusion of freewill.
No its not...it's in scripture. Are you saying you have the answer where the greatest theologian minds don't? God would not have sovereignty over His own word. God is not psyzo
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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The way that God draws man to Him is through the Gospel. ''Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.'' (Romans 10:17)

It is by the Sovereign decision of God that man has free will. And by God's own Sovereign decision, He will not interfere with man's decision to either believe in Christ for salvation, or to reject Christ and remain under comdemnation. This is the very reason man is here on this earth. To choose one way or the other. And God honors that decision.
OMGoodness...can DEAD men hear anything?
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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No its not...it's in scripture. Are you saying you have the answer where the greatest theologian minds don't? God would not have sovereignty over His own word. God is not psyzo
Why do you still insist that the bibles we read today are "Gods" words....we do not have the original autographs of any book of the bible. We had rewritten and edited books from the Church of Rome and Constantine...this is a historical fact and can be proven by looking at what we do have...there were notes all over copies. If you do any type of study on the origins of our bibles you will see this. What we have now are translations from the bible of the Church of Rome and nothing more....with translation also come translation errors and that is a whole other can of worms. Come on Fundy....God is Sovereign over all life and everything that happens in it...I think you already know this.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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Jesus said this:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

After He said this:

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will. John 5:21

To believe that salvation begins with man (and you do, if you believe we make the first move) sets us above God as the source of salvation.
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