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Old 10-16-2009, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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There are certain verses in the Bible that tell us that we are as nothing in the face of God's will. Am I "pulling scripture", or are Daniel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah wrong?
Any human who thinks that their will is greater than God's will is just living in delusion.
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Old 01-27-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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It's.......baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack for my friend flaminghedge
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:13 PM
 
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It's.......baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack for my friend flaminghedge
Thanks Fundy.
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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Hmmmm...

Well previously I'd have said repentance comes first, but after reading this thread, I realized that I'd mistaken regeneration for sanctification. It is obvious that regeneration comes first since we are told that no one seeks God. Therefore for someone to come to repentance, they must have been changed in some way.

On top of this, some people kept saying that we aren't forced, while others kept saying salvation is God's decision. Both are right.

Man is willfully led to salvation. Or does anyone here think God is incapable of predestining a person to salvation without forcing them? Just because they absolutely WILL BE SAVED, does not mean they were forced. God just changes their will and BAM, they aren't forced, but they repent (forced meaning against their will).

However, if God does not begin the work of regeneration in a person, there is no way they can come to Christ.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:01 PM
 
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Hmmmm...

Well previously I'd have said repentance comes first, but after reading this thread, I realized that I'd mistaken regeneration for sanctification. It is obvious that regeneration comes first since we are told that no one seeks God. Therefore for someone to come to repentance, they must have been changed in some way.

On top of this, some people kept saying that we aren't forced, while others kept saying salvation is God's decision. Both are right.

Man is willfully led to salvation. Or does anyone here think God is incapable of predestining a person to salvation without forcing them? Just because they absolutely WILL BE SAVED, does not mean they were forced. God just changes their will and BAM, they aren't forced, but they repent (forced meaning against their will).

However, if God does not begin the work of regeneration in a person, there is no way they can come to Christ.

Exactly ... The carnal man counts the things of the spirit of God as foolishness and cannot receive them. It is only after God begins to work within us, renewing hour hearts and minds, that we are able to understand the things of the spirit and count them as good and wise and turn because of it and repent. Its interesting to see how much difficulty so many people have with this ...
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