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Old 10-14-2009, 09:25 PM
 
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I am presenting here, a link to an excellent article which explains the differences between Hades and the lake of fire, and which gives definitions for the various ''hell words'' that are used.

There is one erroneous conclusion that the author has arrived at that I must point out. In the third paragraph, in which Sheol or Hades is being addressed, the author mistakenly believes that at the time of Christ's resurrection many of the old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that same time. This is in connection with Matthew 27:51-53. The reality of the event described in Matthew 27:51-53 is that at the time of Christ's death (not resurrection) many Old Testament saints were resuscitated in their mortal bodies only to die again at some later date, just as was the case when Jesus rususcitated Lazarus. Other than this mistaken conclusion of the author, the article is very good and accurate.

There is one thing that I want to say about the Lake of Fire, of which the word Gehenna is used for. Matthew 25:41 tells us that the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels, and Revelation 20:10 shows Satan being cast into the lake of fire.

Now for those who say that the lake of fire is referring to the valley of Hinnom to which the word Gehenna refers, you are saying in effect, that the eternal destination of Satan and the fallen angels, is a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. A ridiculous supposition. The Lake of Fire is the eternal destination of both the fallen angels and unbelieving humanity.

Now heres the link:

Hell Part 2: The Differences between Hades and the Lake of Fire
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:28 PM
 
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many of the old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that same time.
How did he get mixed up on that call?

Is he is some sort of church that pushes that idea?
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:40 PM
 
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How did he get mixed up on that call?

Is he is some sort of church that pushes that idea?
I have no idea. I don't even know who he is. I posted the link because, except for that one error on his part, the rest of the article is accurate.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:07 PM
 
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good...but the error makes him interesting too...LOL
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:56 PM
 
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This is a very good website that gives the descriptions of the various terms such as Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, limne pur, tartaroo, and others. It might help to clear things up for some people who are confused by the English word 'hell.'' I just want to make sure more people get to see it before this thread gets too buried.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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This is a very good website that gives the descriptions of the various terms such as Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, limne pur, tartaroo, and others. It might help to clear things up for some people who are confused by the English word 'hell.'' I just want to make sure more people get to see it before this thread gets too buried.
Hell is the holding place for the souls who have not been reconciled to God through faith in Yeshua(Jesus the Christ,the lamb sacrifice of God) When God our father created man, man became a living soul. Because the God breathed the breath of life into Adam's soul, the soul cannot die. However, in the times of the end the bible says Christ will cast some into the Lake of Fire. The book of Enoch describes how the angel's will wrestle the lost away from the Lord's presence and cast them into the lake of fire. Scientifically, something must contain mass to be thrown. During the Great White throne judgment, the lost shall be resurrected into their immortal, eternally condemned bodies. Hell is similar to a county jail. In Hell, the judgment is set the lost simply wait to be sentenced. The lake of fire is where the punishment will take place. In some translations hell is called "sheol" because it is like the grave, one simply is separated from God waiting for his punishment. To learn more watch our videos on youtube(Prophet D.Howard jr, or How53225) We experienced technical difficulties but the message can be heard.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:41 PM
 
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The second death could not mean eternal torment because it is linked to the first death. The numerical values "first" and "second" show that they are related terms and therefore the deaths must be related too. In the first death, the body stops functioning. In the second death, the body and soul stop functioning forever. They are both destroyed. Yeshua (Jesus) says specifically "both" in Matthew 10:28. Sadly, traditional theology wrongly states that the soul cannot be destroyed in clear contradiction to the Lord's word. You can find more information on "Conditional Immortality" at Why Conditional Immortality is true and biblical
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:56 PM
 
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The second death could not mean eternal torment because it is linked to the first death. The numerical values "first" and "second" show that they are related terms and therefore the deaths must be related too. In the first death, the body stops functioning. In the second death, the body and soul stop functioning forever. They are both destroyed. Yeshua (Jesus) says specifically "both" in Matthew 10:28. Sadly, traditional theology wrongly states that the soul cannot be destroyed in clear contradiction to the Lord's word. You can find more information on "Conditional Immortality" at Why Conditional Immortality is true and biblical
Jesus said if one destroys their soul they will get it back. So a soul destroyed is a pre-requisite to being saved.

Also, all in the lake of fire , the second death must come back to life to be subjected to Christ and for God to be All in all (1 Corinthians 15:22-28)
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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The second death could not mean eternal torment because it is linked to the first death. The numerical values "first" and "second" show that they are related terms and therefore the deaths must be related too. In the first death, the body stops functioning. In the second death, the body and soul stop functioning forever. They are both destroyed. Yeshua (Jesus) says specifically "both" in Matthew 10:28. Sadly, traditional theology wrongly states that the soul cannot be destroyed in clear contradiction to the Lord's word. You can find more information on "Conditional Immortality" at Why Conditional Immortality is true and biblical
The word of God makes it clear in Revelation 20:14-15 that the Lake of fire is the second death. In Revelation 14:11 it makes it clear that the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night.' That means they are conscious in the lake of fire forever. The false prophet and the beast will have already been in conscious torment for a thousand years by the time that Satan joins them at the end of the Millennium.

Whenever the emphatic 'forever and ever'--eis tous aionas ton aionon is used, it means for all eternity. Without end.

At the end of the Millennium, those unbelievers who had been in Hades, will be resurrected into bodies designed for eternity in the Lake of Fire. They will stand before Jesus Christ who pronounces final sentencing on them, and they will then be cast into eternal torment in the second death. The second death does not mean cessation of existance, but rather, it means eternal separation from God in a state of total ruin.


Let those with understanding then believe the word of God. Let those who reject the truth continue to do so. Those who belong to God will believe the truth, and those who belong to Satan will reject the truth.

Let those reading this understand that there are always going to be those who reject the clear Biblical revelation of the eternal consequences of rejecting Christ as Savior. And they will go to extraordinary lengths to explain away the Scriptures that reveal this solemn truth. But the Bible is deadly serious in stating the eternal destination of those who reject Christ. Don't dismiss it. God means what He says.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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They had no rest day or night while they were alive. Once Babylon is destroyed they die. Once Babylon is destroyed **the smoke of their torment** (not their torment lasts for ever and ever but the smoke of the fire which killed them in that single day) is for the eons of the eons.

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah was set before us an example of eonian fire (some say "eternal fire") the fire went out many many years ago and so can hardly be eternal, but just as that is the case with Sodom and Gomorrah, thus also with Babylon.
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