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The interesting thing to remember about this parable is Lazarus is named. This is not a normally parable friends it is real and literal. I can not think of a normal parable that name's a person in it. This is real and is a great lesson for what the after life will be like at death. Either in paradise or in hades, hell, torments (ppl call it several things). That great gulf can not be crossed and it makes sense because our destination is eternal.
And if you think that Jesus thought that Abraham was not a believer in the Lord?....that's silly
Alan,
Of course I am not saying that. But the parable is not teaching on the faith of faithful Abraham, is it? Apparently not.
Again, if anyone is interested in getting to the bottom of this curious parable then read my other posts is this thread. If you just want to tow the traditional party line - that's your choice, isn't it? Yes it is.
To recap:
1. NO THOUGHT OR ACTION OR MEMORY IN SHEOL/HADES (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
2. No two compartments in the grave (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
3. No angels carrying dead souls to paradise (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
4. No mention of a place called "Abraham's bosom" (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
5. Gehenna is NOT Sheol/Hades - study that out.
6. The lake of fire is not Sheol/Hades - study that out.
7. If any man be ignorant - let him be ignorant - If you want to be ignorant - DON'T study that out.
Alan,
Of course I am not saying that. But the parable is not teaching on the faith of faithful Abraham, is it? Apparently not.
Again, if anyone is interested in getting to the bottom of this curious parable then read my other posts is this thread. If you just want to tow the traditional party line - that's your choice, isn't it? Yes it is.
To recap:
1. NO THOUGHT OR ACTION OR MEMORY IN SHEOL/HADES (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
2. No two compartments in the grave (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
3. No angels carrying dead souls to paradise (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
4. No mention of a place called "Abraham's bosom" (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
5. Gehenna is NOT Sheol/Hades - study that out.
6. The lake of fire is not Sheol/Hades - study that out.
7. If any man be ignorant - let him be ignorant - If you want to be ignorant - DON'T study that out.
Firstborn
To many good points to not at least cause us to question the traditional teaching of the parable.
Questioning traditional teaching does not mean questioning the scriptures , so anyone who desires to know the reality of the scriptures just don't accept what you are taught as being scriptual on the basis that traditional teaching uses scripture in it's explaination.
If you just want to tow the traditional party line -.
I stick with the text...(Thats kinda what Im known for)
If its not written in the text, then I tend not to write it in there.(Thats kinda what other people are known for)
I stick with the text...(Thats kinda what Im known for)
If its not written in the text, then I tend not to write it in there.(Thats kinda what other people are known for)
Alan can you say that any of the points Firstborn stated are in the text ? and if so where ?
4. No mention of a place called "Abraham's bosom" (in all of the bible) except in this one story/parable. How do you explain that?
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Because, perhaps , because the fact that ONLY Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, and that his point of view and knowledge of the after life might be able to fill-in any gaps in the Text where the knowledge of others is not as widespread?
But it's hard thing to ask a guy, "Why is that not in the Bible more?", because I didn't write the Bible, it does not reflect my views or thinking. Ask God, it's His work after all.
The text is what it is...
The text in this story is clearly teaching us something very important about the nature of our existence in the afterlife...I respect its wording and its way of telling us about Hell's everlasting fire.
Because, perhaps , because the fact that ONLY Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, and that his point of view and knowledge of the after life might be able to fill-in any gaps in the Text where the knowledge of others is not as widespread?
But it's hard thing to ask a guy, "Why is that not in the Bible more?", because I didn't write the Bible, it does not reflect my views or thinking. Ask God, it's His work after all.
The text is what it is...
The text in this story is clearly teaching us something very important about the nature of our existence in the afterlife...I respect its wording and its way of telling us about Hell's everlasting fire.
Well Alan you say we can only go by what is in the text , so this is not a good enough answer.
The story teaches us some interesting things about the after life.
The dead are in pain...great pain.
The dead understand their pain, they seek with all their hearts to find anything that would lessen their pain....but dont find that relief.
The dead are in flame
That angels carry the believers to their place of comfort.
That there is a wall of separation between the Believers in their state of comfort, that the Lost in their state of agony, that keeps anyone from ever crossing over from one side to the next....so that means..the term "for ever" means what it sounds like.
Well Alan you say we can only go by what is in the text , so this is not a good enough answer.
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If a person sticks close to the text then they tend not to fall into traps where they begin to believe what others 'say" a story means over what the text's actually says.
The best advice I have to give is..."Read the story, and believe it's true"
That great gulf can not be crossed and it makes sense because our destination is eternal.
Very true!
The "for ever-ness' of the state of the lost and the Believers is really hit on hard in this story.
Clearly Jesus highlights that one idea so that we cant miss it's lessons...
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