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Old 10-16-2009, 06:16 AM
 
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It was Martha with the oil?
See what happens Iron when you type too fast and Alan is watching?...LOL
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:23 AM
 
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Yes it is wrong. The begger is not the Gentiles. That Begger was an Israelite.

Paul
HMMM....back in those days anyone who was not a proselyte of the Pharisaical realm was considered a Gentile, whether they be Israelite, Samaritan, Greek, Roman etc.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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Then tell me why would a gentile want to be laid outside the gait of the Israelites?

Ironmaw, you need to not be so fast to count everything that disagrees with you as false.

Paul
Because he desired the crumbs that fell from the masters table. It is symbolic, not literal. Symbolic of the desire to be accepted by God and receive spiritual sustenance, not to mention be in control of the holy city and the promised land which at that time was flowing with "milk and honey".

I am not counting it as false necessarily, but you have to look at the story and understand the symbolism. It is obviously symbolic. Do you really believe a man in a literal flaming hell would be able to talk to a man in paradise? Why is it that no other place in the bible describes the bosom of Abraham, or associates it with paradise? Also the fact the the rich-man is dressed in purple and linen and the fact he has 5 brothers? This is all obviously symbolic of the Jews. While there can be no doubt that dogs are symbolic of gentiles. If you take it literally all poor people go to heaven and all rich men go to hell, because there Christ says nothing about their personal merits or transgressions.

I am willing to listen to other interpretations but you have to explain the symbolism in some way or another. If you believe you have a better explanation please do tell.
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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A better translation of Luke 22:43 is:..

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Is found in what bible?
What translation has that wording?
The Concordant Literal New Testament
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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The Concordant Literal New Testament
CONCORDANT LITERAL NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTIONS

I have heard of that one...and it's many many problems...

used a lot by the cults I hear...
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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CONCORDANT LITERAL NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTIONS

I have heard of that one...and it's many many problems...

used a lot by the cults I hear...
Alan, actually that link you post makes several errors, not the least of which is assuming because something is "eonian" does not mean it can also be "immortal". They are confusing the two terms in an attempt to make the Concordant Literal appear contradictory. Look into it further if you wish, but it is mostly off-topic with this thread.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:03 PM
 
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Because he desired the crumbs that fell from the masters table. It is symbolic, not literal. Symbolic of the desire to be accepted by God and receive spiritual sustenance, not to mention be in control of the holy city and the promised land which at that time was flowing with "milk and honey".

I am not counting it as false necessarily, but you have to look at the story and understand the symbolism. It is obviously symbolic. Do you really believe a man in a literal flaming hell would be able to talk to a man in paradise? Why is it that no other place in the bible describes the bosom of Abraham, or associates it with paradise? Also the fact the the rich-man is dressed in purple and linen and the fact he has 5 brothers? This is all obviously symbolic of the Jews. While there can be no doubt that dogs are symbolic of gentiles. If you take it literally all poor people go to heaven and all rich men go to hell, because there Christ says nothing about their personal merits or transgressions.

I am willing to listen to other interpretations but you have to explain the symbolism in some way or another. If you believe you have a better explanation please do tell.

No, I just have to look at God's Word and have what I see as irrefutable evidence that the begger is not a references to the Gentiles.

Paul
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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Lifesigns has already stated facts about Lazarus. Now its time to reveal more.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:07 PM
 
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Notice:

Joh 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Joh 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

Did you notice that? It says Lazarus! The Lazarus here is the same one from Lazarus and the Rich man.

Paul
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:09 PM
 
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Oh but it gets better:

Mat 26:6 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,
Mat 26:7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.

WOW! Did you get that?

Shall I keep going?...
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