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Old 05-06-2010, 10:24 PM
 
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Lets look at John 1 verse 1 through 9 and then go to verse 14 and 15 When God said let there be light I believe the light was Jesus then on the 4th day he created the bigger light and thats when the sun and the moon come in creation
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:03 AM
 
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It is not light as you know it, but it is Light. Think of it as dividing 2 kingdoms, but do not take my word on it. Seek it. He will give this to you, and all of a sudden verses that you have read will start exploding in your head, like this one.
Funny, I was reading 2 Corinthians 4:6 (below) a few days ago and thought "Let there be light: and there was light". Here some others.
  • John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
  • 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
  • Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light.
  • 2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
  • Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:33 PM
 
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Here is what I see:

Genesis 1

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Here all God states is the heavens and the earth were created in the beginning. Nothing more is stated. It is a simple statement that the heavens(space) and the earth(planet) were first, nothing more.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

In the plain reading God was hovering over a darkened earth(nothing was formed yet on the earth.)

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

Where does light come from? Plain and simple it comes from the Sun.

4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.

What separates the light of the sun from the darkness? Simply we must take it from earth's perspective. The rotation of the earth separates the light of the sun from the darkness. I believe the earth began rotating here.

5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Plain and simple this reinforces what was stated in verse 4. God now calls the result of earth's rotation as "day" and "night" and it is the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.

God created the "expanse" which was the sky separating a layer of water in the atmosphere from the water on the earth(the earth had no land yet, only water). The water above the "expanse" plays a part in the flood of Noah(but that is another story.)

8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Again, God is naming what He created and there was "evening" and "morning" as it was created in verse 4 and it was the second day.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to
one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.


Here we have God creating the land and the seas..

10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

God again is now naming his creation in verse 9 and God said it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Here we have God creating vegetation and God said it was good and again there was evening and morning on the third day.

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years

Well God now created something else. It can't be the Sun since that is the source of the light and that was created in verse 3 so it must be the Moon. Ancient writers used the eclipses of the Moon and the Moons orbit around the earth to mark the seasons,days and years. The earliest Lunar Calenders used the Moon as the source of their information.

15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so.

This is the creation of other planets. The Ancient writers did not use other planets yet to determine seasons,days and years so the planets were created here. The reinforcement of the Moons creation is given in the next verse.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.

We have now perfect harmony with the previous scriptures. God now states that two great lights he created to govern the day and the night. The Sun and the Moon. This is merely a reinforcing of verse 3 and 14.

He also made the stars.

Now God creates the stars in the sky as well to accompany the Sun and the Moon and the Planets.

17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

God now sets the stars in the sky to help govern the day and night along with the Sun, Moon and Planets. God looked at His creation and said it was good and again there was evening and morning on the fourth day.

I don't see the confusion? Evolution does not play a role in creation. Even if you do not believe in Creationism, I don't see evolution playing any part in the Genesis creation.

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Old 05-08-2010, 06:02 PM
 
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The Light:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Genesis 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;

15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.
17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,

18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.


Since we know from scripture that God did not create the sun, moon and stars until the 4th day of creation, what light was created on the very first day?
In my opinion...when God said and "there evening and there was morning, a fourth day"...what follows should be the beginning of the fourth day. When I follow this reasoning...the separation of light from darkness would then occur on the 3RD DAY! The Christ Jesus' resurrection happened on the 3rd day...

Genesis 2:1 And God rested on the 7th day.

For example...if we narrate an event of a particular day...we'd end it by saying....it was the morning and evening on that particular day...finale!

With this...the creation of man would be on the fifth day and the fall on the 6th day.

The flood happened on the 6th hundred years of Noah's age (Genesis chapter 6) the account on how god's people turned evil.

Peace...
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:08 PM
 
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I eschew all attempts to relate scripture to worldy/carnal events. It is for purely spiritual purposes. But the MAJOR mistake made in interpretation is the application of our concept of "linear time" to anything written in it. Their cognitive mindset dealt in events . . . not specific orderings of events. The only modern analogue to it is found in Latin American cultures. Time is event-based . . . not linear in time. The single most frustrating aspect for American corporations dealing with suppliers in Latin America was adjusting to their complete lack of comprehension of deadline (as we understand them). A commitment to deliver a specified quantity on March 31st 2010 is received, interpreted and committed to as a specific quantity to be delivered, period. Very frustrating. So knock yourselves out interpreting the bible linearly and carnally . . . but it is a complete waste of TIME.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:03 PM
 
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Perhaps the light is God.
Energy -Energy can't be made or destroyed,it can only change forms.There is a form of energy that we are not as yet able to comprehend.
God is energy.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:08 PM
 
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My other thought is that it refers to the big bang/ the start of the universe.

IOW-"Let there be light". And the blast that sets everything into motion comes into being.That blast causes LIGHT to be emitted.MUCH light.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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From Ask Questions about College, Life, and God



Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10


The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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Right, when God created light, he forgot to create light-emitting source first ...

Bible was written by ancient people without much knowledge about their surroundings. It was long believed that Earth was the center, so Sun was nothing more than a decor out there.

But, religion is not a source of research and knowledge advancing body. The whole purpose of religious explaining things is: "Do you know it? Well, my God did it. Now get down in a bend over position and pray. Hand me over your wallet too."

Humans gain knowledge. However, scriptures like Bible can not be changed. What was meant to a book of "infinite wisdom" became of a book fairy tales. If every Christians really read Bible, most of them would be atheists by now.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:51 AM
 
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I'm saying the light-emitting source would be the big bang.
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