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Old 10-16-2009, 08:09 PM
 
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I did go to the link: (and there is debate mine is in red)
1. Access to God.
At the moment of faith in Christ, we immediately have access to God through prayer (ROM 5:2; EPH 2:18; EPH 3:12). Whose faith was great enough for our access? Christ's faith, certainly not ours! Read 5:1.. says through faith making it synonymous with through Christ. Christ's faith in God set us free, not ours. I see that plainly in those verses listed.

We have access to the Father through prayer when we are in fellowship with Him through the Filling of the Spirit. The Filling of the Holy Spirit occurs when we rebound, naming and citing our sins to Him. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1JO 1:9). God the Father will not hear our prayers outside of if we have not rebounded and filled with the Spirit (EPH 5:18).
Eph 5:18:
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

The Lord Jesus Christ made this access to the Father possible with His saving work on the Cross (HEB 4:16; HEB 10:19-20).

Heb 4:16
Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Heb 10:19-20 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body,

The blood of Jesus made the way for us... period. The blood of Jesus opened the way to God, access to God. For all men, not just the High Priest... Jesus being the high priest of the new covenant.

None of this happens at salvation, were you saved when Jesus died on the cross or later when you were alive? Salvation happened when Jesus died on the cross and has nothing to do with our actions.
1 John 5:12 ''He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

John 3:18 ''He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.''

Acts 16:31''...Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved...'' (The opposite of this is ''if you do not believe in the Lord Jesus you shall not be saved.)

It cannot be made more clear.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:18 PM
 
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What is salvation a topical cream now?

If you MAKE A DECISION you are working toward salvation, salvation is grace. Grace was applied to all after the death of Jesus and the Holy of Holies was opened to all men.

This symbolism is for the Jew not for the Gentile. The Gentile could have cared less about the holy of holies.
John 6:29 ''Jesus answered and said to them, ''This is the work of God; That you believe in Him whom He has sent.''
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:21 PM
 
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1 John 5:12 ''He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

You can have "this life" in the Son or the life outside the Son... but there is no penalty for unbelief stated in this verse. You are saying that the absence is the proof.

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John 3:18 ''He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.''
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

So those judged already are under God's judgment and are already condemned before Jesus came. How is that applied to us? Were you judged by God prior to Jesus? or is this talking about the Jews who were first preached to?

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Acts 16:31''...Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved...'' (The opposite of this is ''if you do not believe in the Lord Jesus you shall not be saved.)
He said this to someone who had already been visited by an angel and prepared by the spirit. Acts 11:13
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It cannot be made more clear.
Clear to you maybe but I feel differently.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:25 PM
 
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John 6:29 ''Jesus answered and said to them, ''This is the work of God; That you believe in Him whom He has sent.''
You believing in Jesus is the work of God...

you are interpreting it to say that the work of God is that you come to believe in him on your own but it is entirely God's work.

It says it right there in that verse.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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God gets the credit for belief, but unbelief is the fault of the unbeliever, not God
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