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Old 12-07-2009, 11:25 AM
 
Location: In God's Hand
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Do you think obese Christians who live lives of gluttony, indulging their taste buds and uncontrolled appetites, are sinning?
Why or why not?
(Please don't derail the thread with posts like "oh I know this girl who has hypothyroidism" --- I think most of us are aware that there are some {but rather few} legitimate medical conditions that can cause obesity, or the appearance of same. I am referring to people who are Christians, but who choose to INDULGE themselves with food, and are fat.)

Now, are they "living a sinful life?

Why or why not?
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Oh PUL-LEEZE, give me a break. Pointing out the hypocritcal behavior of mainstream christianity is not "hurting someone," and I find it extremely IRONIC that YOU, of all people, would object to anyone's feelings being hurt. Good grief, you must be joking........or delusional, I'm not sure which.....

You are trying to derail this thread.

I'm not attempting to "hurt someone's feelings," I am trying to illustrate, that mainsteam Christianity and the church at large overlooks certains sins, like gluttony, whilst being obsessively concerned about the lives of others, so do me a huge favor and please do something productive because I see through you like a pane of glass.
What is the productive goal of this thread then?

To excuse all sinful lifestyles?

Getting back to the OP;

For the believers that are ensnared by the sin of gluttony; they are to call on Jesus for help.

Galatians 5:13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Temperance is self control.

Those that do not repent by calling on Jesus for help, but rather enjoy living in sin, shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. They are still His for believing in Him as promised ( Ephesians 1:12-15), but as the prodigal son that gave up His first inheritance for wild living like Esau did of His birthright for a "meal": ( course, his was not the sin of gluttony, but valuing the temporary over his inheritance.) : unrepentant believers shall be left behind when Jesus appears to judge the House of God at the rapture event.

And for those that do not believe:

Matthew 11:15-30
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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Yes, gluttony is a sin because the Bible says that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. (I Corinthians 6:19-20) I think that gluttony is one of those things that somehow gets excused or passed by as being ok because it is basically legal to over eat. Anything done with a wrong motive or excessively is out of balance and not good.

The problem behind all of this is the motive. Whether it is overeating, taking perscription drugs, drinking, smoking, porn, etc these are all running tactics. They are shallow temporal fixes from the pains of a deeper wound. The Great Physician (Matthew 9:35) which is Jesus needs to do some surgery on our wounds. Once we allow Him into the painful areas that need surgery we will begin to heal and become whole but we have to ask Him in. In other words we need to quit running and face the pain.

I talk from experience because my past consisted of most of the above addictions and it has only been through me getting sick of tired of being sick and tired. Tired of running. Tired of hiding behind things that only cover up a wound. I invited Jesus into my hurt and despair years ago and it has been a long uphill battle for me ever since. Yes, it does hurt to undergo surgery, but when you let Him in and start the healing process the pain finally starts to fade and then it subsides. There is then a freedom from all the things that once held you in bondage. Those things that we run to (drugs, gluttony, alcohol) are temporal things that the enemy (Satan) uses to trap us. He is a liar and the Father of lies (John 8:44) and everything he directs us to do is counterfeit and never provides the deep lasting solution, which is peace, health and wholeness which is what God desires for us.

The Bible says to confess your sin (addictions). We all need to confess these things and ask for help with our pain. There are many organizations and churches, etc that have programs. Weight Watcher, Jenny Craig and many other programs are available. I personally used the South Beach Diet and I lost 25-pounds a couple of years ago. It truly does work but you have to make up your mind and stick with it..

Bottom line...yes gluttony is a temporary fix and a sin to keep one in bondage.... I pray that any of you that have this problem or addiction to food or anything else would seek help and treat it as if you had a serious problem because you do. It is unhealthy to be overweight and to be fat is a miserable place to be. There is hope in the Lord, there is healing but you have to ask for it and want it. May God be with you.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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I agree Lego but what i have issue with is legalists who are gluttons and use their legalism on others. Isn't this a classic case of get the plank out of our own eye first , so we come to the realization that we accept one another as Christ as accepted us.
I completely understand ... Smoke pot ... going to hell ... Drink ... going to hell ... Pre-marital sex ... going to hell ... Eat too much ... You're so mean and insensitive if you say anything about it ...

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Old 12-08-2009, 11:48 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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I completely understand ... Smoke pot ... going to hell ... Drink ... going to hell ... Pre-marital sex ... going to hell ... Eat too much ... You're so mean and insensitive if you say anything about it ...

I'm trying to workout how the legalistic gluttons manage to get through the narrow gate
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I got lost in all of this. Could someone remind us all, which passage of God's Word says that gluttony is a sin?

Thanks.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville,Florida
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It is when we make food our God that we sin that we can't wait to get that first morsel in our mouth versus reading that first scripture. When we consider food more important than God for the fact that is all we can think of to get us through our daily lives. When we put more trust in food to nourish our souls than His Holy word than it is a sin.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:32 PM
 
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I got lost in all of this. Could someone remind us all, which passage of God's Word says that gluttony is a sin?

Thanks.

Proverbs 23:20-21
“Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.”

Proverbs 28:7
“He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.”

Proverbs 23:2
“Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.”
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Proverbs 23:20-21
“Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.”

Proverbs 28:7
“He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.”

Proverbs 23:2
“Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.”
So no actual passages that say it is a sin.

No command from God saying "Dont do that".

'Worship a single God' is pretty loud and clear.
'Dont do adultery' is loud and clear.
'Dont murder' is loud and clear.

But nothing, not a pip on gluttony.

Thanks.
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville,Florida
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So no actual passages that say it is a sin.

No command from God saying "Dont do that".

'Worship a single God' is pretty loud and clear.
'Dont do adultery' is loud and clear.
'Dont murder' is loud and clear.

But nothing, not a pip on gluttony.

Thanks.
It is considered one of the seven deadly sins. http://deadlysins.com/sins/index.htm
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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It is considered one of the seven deadly sins. The Seven Deadly Sins revealed
'Considered' within the context of man-made doctrines which have no basis of God-given doctrine; yes. Yes this heresy, is a corner stone of man-made pagan doctrines.

The OP however was addressing 'Christian' and there fore things which derived from God's Word.
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