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The Territorial Empire Of The Antichrist Is Already Forming

Since Israel's rebirth in 1948, most of the Arab oil producing countries have refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a nation. The Arab nations have attacked Israel continuously since 1948, in an attempt to destroy Israel as a nation. Israel has continued to exist because of Israel's military power, and the current threat of Israel's nuclear power. On every occasion that the Arab nations have attacked Israel, the Arab nations have suffered a humiliating defeat. At the time of the "seven year covenant," the Antichrist will be forced to negotiate with Israel, because Israel will remain a military and nuclear power until the time that the peace agreement is actually signed. In developing his coalition of power, the Antichrist will not personally want to recognize Israel as a nation, but will be forced to, because of Israel's military and nuclear power. The "seven year covenant" will necessitate an agreement among Arab oil producing countries, to allow the re-establishment of daily sacrifice by the Jewish people. The Antichrist will be forced to recognize Israel as a nation, and will allow the Jewish people to practice their religion by re-establishing daily sacrifice.
The formation of nations, that agree to the "covenant" that allows the re-establishment of daily sacrifice by the Jewish people, is a coalition of seven "Judeo-Christian" world leaders or kings, allied with the False Prophet (Pope); and ten Arab/Muslim countries, allied with the Antichrist.
Revelation 12:3 (NIV) Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 13:1 (NIV) And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Revelation 17:3 (NIV) Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
Daniel 7:19-22 (NIV) "Then I wanted to know the true meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws--the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. 20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully. 21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.
We are given the definition within the Word of God, of "horns", and "heads":
Daniel 7:24 (NIV) The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Revelation 17:12-13 (NIV) "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.
Revelation 17:9-11 (NIV) "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
The seven heads, and ten horns, are kings or countries that will be involved in the empire of the Antichrist. The seven heads, and ten horns, are referred to as two separate parts of the whole. The reason that these are always referenced in this manner, is that they will never fully blend into a single unit. The seven heads will be represented by "Judeo-Christian" kings or countries, allied with the False Prophet (Pope). The ten horns, are Islamic kings or countries allied with the Antichrist.
The four ancient world empires were created militarily. Historically, whoever controlled the world's military, controlled the world. Today, whoever controls the world's oil, controls the world. Today, with some maneuvering, O. P. E. C. could control the world. After negotiating the covenant that will allow the re-establishment of daily sacrifice, the Antichrist will start his rise to complete world leadership, by gaining control of a percentage of the world's oil. This will catapult the Antichrist to world power, as he cripples and extorts the world financially. Once he gains a percentage of the world's oil, he will control the world. From that point, the Antichrist will direct a One World Government, that will include the Mark of the Beast:
Revelation 13:16-18 (NIV) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
In knowing that the Antichrist will be the King of Syria, some light has already been shed on other countries that will ultimately be involved in the kingdom of the Antichrist:
Daniel 8:9 (NIV) Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land.
The Beautiful Land is of course Israel.
Saudi Arabia, a Moslem country, is located due south of Syria. It is a huge oil producer, member of O. P. E. C., and must certainly be included in any coalition that would control the oil of the world. Saudi Arabia will be in the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Iraq, a Moslem country, is located due east of Syria. Iraq is also a huge oil producing country, member of O. P. E. C., and will also be included in the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Lebanon is the only country that is directly "toward the Beautiful Land" from Syria, and has already fallen to the King of Syria. The territorial empire of the Antichrist is already forming, evidenced by the fall of Lebanon to the King of Syria. The undisputed fact that Syria controls the insurgency in Iraq, portends that Syria will gain control of Iraq, as soon as the "peace agreement" is signed. The Saudi royal family recognizes how tenuous their control is over Saudi Arabia, and they are nervously placing "golden parachutes" all around the globe in anticipation of potentially losing their country. The Saudi royal family will lose their country.
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The coalition of Saudi Arabia and Iraq, is adequate to completely cripple the world when they ration oil. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Lebanon, are the three horns that will fall to the King of Syria.
This is so true, especially if America does not produce it's own oil, it will cripple us. What good is firepower when you have no oil for military machinery. (ships, tanks, copters, jets, planes, etc.) Not to mention the ripple effect of this.
Daniel 7:8 (NIV) "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Daniel 7:20 (NIV) I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Daniel 7:24 (NIV) The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, combined with Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai Peninsula, is the area described as being actual historic Syria by the martyred Antun Saada, of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party. It is the present goal of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party to bring these independent countries back together into the Syrian State.
The Antichrist will also gain control of the Moslem countries of Egypt, Libya, and Sudan (in which is the Nubian Desert).
Daniel 11:42-43 (NIV) He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission.
The Antichrist will not control the Moslem country of Jordan (Edom, Moab, and Ammon), which has made a treaty and peace with Israel. Jordan is protected by God, because Jordan contains Petra. Petra is the place that has been prepared by God, for the Jewish people to flee to, after the Antichrist sets himself up in the Temple in Jerusalem.
Daniel 11:41 (NIV) He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.
Though Egypt has a treaty with Israel, Egypt has maintained adversarial "peace."

Please all info welcomed, tell me what you think.
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:02 AM
 
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The Territorial Empire Of The Antichrist Is Already Forming

Since Israel's rebirth in 1948, most of the Arab oil producing countries have refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a nation. The Arab nations have attacked Israel continuously since 1948, in an attempt to destroy Israel as a nation. Israel has continued to exist because of Israel's military power, and the current threat of Israel's nuclear power. On every occasion that the Arab nations have attacked Israel, the Arab nations have suffered a humiliating defeat. At the time of the "seven year covenant," the Antichrist will be forced to negotiate with Israel, because Israel will remain a military and nuclear power until the time that the peace agreement is actually signed. In developing his coalition of power, the Antichrist will not personally want to recognize Israel as a nation, but will be forced to, because of Israel's military and nuclear power. The "seven year covenant" will necessitate an agreement among Arab oil producing countries, to allow the re-establishment of daily sacrifice by the Jewish people. The Antichrist will be forced to recognize Israel as a nation, and will allow the Jewish people to practice their religion by re-establishing daily sacrifice.
The formation of nations, that agree to the "covenant" that allows the re-establishment of daily sacrifice by the Jewish people, is a coalition of seven "Judeo-Christian" world leaders or kings, allied with the False Prophet (Pope); and ten Arab/Muslim countries, allied with the Antichrist.
Revelation 12:3 (NIV) Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 13:1 (NIV) And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Revelation 17:3 (NIV) Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
Daniel 7:19-22 (NIV) "Then I wanted to know the true meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws--the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. 20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully. 21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.
We are given the definition within the Word of God, of "horns", and "heads":
Daniel 7:24 (NIV) The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Revelation 17:12-13 (NIV) "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.
Revelation 17:9-11 (NIV) "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
The seven heads, and ten horns, are kings or countries that will be involved in the empire of the Antichrist. The seven heads, and ten horns, are referred to as two separate parts of the whole. The reason that these are always referenced in this manner, is that they will never fully blend into a single unit. The seven heads will be represented by "Judeo-Christian" kings or countries, allied with the False Prophet (Pope). The ten horns, are Islamic kings or countries allied with the Antichrist.
The four ancient world empires were created militarily. Historically, whoever controlled the world's military, controlled the world. Today, whoever controls the world's oil, controls the world. Today, with some maneuvering, O. P. E. C. could control the world. After negotiating the covenant that will allow the re-establishment of daily sacrifice, the Antichrist will start his rise to complete world leadership, by gaining control of a percentage of the world's oil. This will catapult the Antichrist to world power, as he cripples and extorts the world financially. Once he gains a percentage of the world's oil, he will control the world. From that point, the Antichrist will direct a One World Government, that will include the Mark of the Beast:
Revelation 13:16-18 (NIV) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
In knowing that the Antichrist will be the King of Syria, some light has already been shed on other countries that will ultimately be involved in the kingdom of the Antichrist:
Daniel 8:9 (NIV) Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land.
The Beautiful Land is of course Israel.
Saudi Arabia, a Moslem country, is located due south of Syria. It is a huge oil producer, member of O. P. E. C., and must certainly be included in any coalition that would control the oil of the world. Saudi Arabia will be in the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Iraq, a Moslem country, is located due east of Syria. Iraq is also a huge oil producing country, member of O. P. E. C., and will also be included in the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Lebanon is the only country that is directly "toward the Beautiful Land" from Syria, and has already fallen to the King of Syria. The territorial empire of the Antichrist is already forming, evidenced by the fall of Lebanon to the King of Syria. The undisputed fact that Syria controls the insurgency in Iraq, portends that Syria will gain control of Iraq, as soon as the "peace agreement" is signed. The Saudi royal family recognizes how tenuous their control is over Saudi Arabia, and they are nervously placing "golden parachutes" all around the globe in anticipation of potentially losing their country. The Saudi royal family will lose their country.
[
The coalition of Saudi Arabia and Iraq, is adequate to completely cripple the world when they ration oil. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Lebanon, are the three horns that will fall to the King of Syria.
This is so true, especially if America does not produce it's own oil, it will cripple us. What good is firepower when you have no oil for military machinery. (ships, tanks, copters, jets, planes, etc.) Not to mention the ripple effect of this.
Daniel 7:8 (NIV) "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Daniel 7:20 (NIV) I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Daniel 7:24 (NIV) The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, combined with Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai Peninsula, is the area described as being actual historic Syria by the martyred Antun Saada, of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party. It is the present goal of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party to bring these independent countries back together into the Syrian State.
The Antichrist will also gain control of the Moslem countries of Egypt, Libya, and Sudan (in which is the Nubian Desert).
Daniel 11:42-43 (NIV) He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission.
The Antichrist will not control the Moslem country of Jordan (Edom, Moab, and Ammon), which has made a treaty and peace with Israel. Jordan is protected by God, because Jordan contains Petra. Petra is the place that has been prepared by God, for the Jewish people to flee to, after the Antichrist sets himself up in the Temple in Jerusalem.
Daniel 11:41 (NIV) He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.
Though Egypt has a treaty with Israel, Egypt has maintained adversarial "peace."

Please all info welcomed, tell me what you think.
FEAR FEAR and more FEAR. The Gospel of Fear!

Paul
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:19 AM
 
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The Territorial Empire Of The Antichrist Is Already Forming

Since Israel's rebirth in 1948, most of the Arab oil producing countries have refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a nation. The Arab nations have attacked Israel continuously since 1948, in an attempt to destroy Israel as a nation. Israel has continued to exist because of Israel's military power, and the current threat of Israel's nuclear power. On every occasion that the Arab nations have attacked Israel, the Arab nations have suffered a humiliating defeat. At the time of the "seven year covenant," the Antichrist will be forced to negotiate with Israel, because Israel will remain a military and nuclear power until the time that the peace agreement is actually signed. In developing his coalition of power, the Antichrist will not personally want to recognize Israel as a nation, but will be forced to, because of Israel's military and nuclear power. The "seven year covenant" will necessitate an agreement among Arab oil producing countries, to allow the re-establishment of daily sacrifice by the Jewish people. The Antichrist will be forced to recognize Israel as a nation, and will allow the Jewish people to practice their religion by re-establishing daily sacrifice.
The formation of nations, that agree to the "covenant" that allows the re-establishment of daily sacrifice by the Jewish people, is a coalition of seven "Judeo-Christian" world leaders or kings, allied with the False Prophet (Pope); and ten Arab/Muslim countries, allied with the Antichrist.
Revelation 12:3 (NIV) Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 13:1 (NIV) And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Revelation 17:3 (NIV) Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
Daniel 7:19-22 (NIV) "Then I wanted to know the true meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws--the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. 20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully. 21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.
We are given the definition within the Word of God, of "horns", and "heads":
Daniel 7:24 (NIV) The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Revelation 17:12-13 (NIV) "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.
Revelation 17:9-11 (NIV) "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
The seven heads, and ten horns, are kings or countries that will be involved in the empire of the Antichrist. The seven heads, and ten horns, are referred to as two separate parts of the whole. The reason that these are always referenced in this manner, is that they will never fully blend into a single unit. The seven heads will be represented by "Judeo-Christian" kings or countries, allied with the False Prophet (Pope). The ten horns, are Islamic kings or countries allied with the Antichrist.
The four ancient world empires were created militarily. Historically, whoever controlled the world's military, controlled the world. Today, whoever controls the world's oil, controls the world. Today, with some maneuvering, O. P. E. C. could control the world. After negotiating the covenant that will allow the re-establishment of daily sacrifice, the Antichrist will start his rise to complete world leadership, by gaining control of a percentage of the world's oil. This will catapult the Antichrist to world power, as he cripples and extorts the world financially. Once he gains a percentage of the world's oil, he will control the world. From that point, the Antichrist will direct a One World Government, that will include the Mark of the Beast:
Revelation 13:16-18 (NIV) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
In knowing that the Antichrist will be the King of Syria, some light has already been shed on other countries that will ultimately be involved in the kingdom of the Antichrist:
Daniel 8:9 (NIV) Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land.
The Beautiful Land is of course Israel.
Saudi Arabia, a Moslem country, is located due south of Syria. It is a huge oil producer, member of O. P. E. C., and must certainly be included in any coalition that would control the oil of the world. Saudi Arabia will be in the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Iraq, a Moslem country, is located due east of Syria. Iraq is also a huge oil producing country, member of O. P. E. C., and will also be included in the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Lebanon is the only country that is directly "toward the Beautiful Land" from Syria, and has already fallen to the King of Syria. The territorial empire of the Antichrist is already forming, evidenced by the fall of Lebanon to the King of Syria. The undisputed fact that Syria controls the insurgency in Iraq, portends that Syria will gain control of Iraq, as soon as the "peace agreement" is signed. The Saudi royal family recognizes how tenuous their control is over Saudi Arabia, and they are nervously placing "golden parachutes" all around the globe in anticipation of potentially losing their country. The Saudi royal family will lose their country.
[
The coalition of Saudi Arabia and Iraq, is adequate to completely cripple the world when they ration oil. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Lebanon, are the three horns that will fall to the King of Syria.
This is so true, especially if America does not produce it's own oil, it will cripple us. What good is firepower when you have no oil for military machinery. (ships, tanks, copters, jets, planes, etc.) Not to mention the ripple effect of this.
Daniel 7:8 (NIV) "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Daniel 7:20 (NIV) I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Daniel 7:24 (NIV) The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.
Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, combined with Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai Peninsula, is the area described as being actual historic Syria by the martyred Antun Saada, of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party. It is the present goal of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party to bring these independent countries back together into the Syrian State.
The Antichrist will also gain control of the Moslem countries of Egypt, Libya, and Sudan (in which is the Nubian Desert).
Daniel 11:42-43 (NIV) He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission.
The Antichrist will not control the Moslem country of Jordan (Edom, Moab, and Ammon), which has made a treaty and peace with Israel. Jordan is protected by God, because Jordan contains Petra. Petra is the place that has been prepared by God, for the Jewish people to flee to, after the Antichrist sets himself up in the Temple in Jerusalem.
Daniel 11:41 (NIV) He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.
Though Egypt has a treaty with Israel, Egypt has maintained adversarial "peace."

Please all info welcomed, tell me what you think.
The antichrist may very well be alive at this moment, but he will not be known until after the Church is raptured and the restraining ministry of God the Holy Spirit is removed from the world so that the events of the tribulation may begin. Then again, the rapture or resurrection of the Church may still be a long way off. However, when Christ returns, He returns to an already existing nation of Israel. And since there is now an existing nation of Israel...

The associate of the antichrist(the beast), the false prophet, will most likely be the Roman Catholic Pope.
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The Antichrist will not control the Moslem country of Jordan (Edom, Moab, and Ammon), which has made a treaty and peace with Israel. Jordan is protected by God, because Jordan contains Petra. Petra is the place that has been prepared by God, for the Jewish people to flee to, after the Antichrist sets himself up in the Temple in Jerusalem.
Daniel 11:41 (NIV) He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.
Though Egypt has a treaty with Israel, Egypt has maintained adversarial "peace."

Please all info welcomed, tell me what you think.
There is one thing that caught my attention:

Jesus said flee to the mountains... Petra is a valley with a large stone "city" and many tombs...
"This desert place, Selah, is a location known today as Petra - located approximately 50 miles (80 km) due south of the eastern side of the Dead Sea. As a highly defensible location it was the capital of Edom, whose territory stretch northward to the Dead Sea. Located in a semi-landlocked valley, access to the site is generally through the eastern ridge via the Siq/Sik ("cleft"), a narrow, winding geologic fissure through the rock, five meters wide at its narrowest and towering up to 200 meters above."
http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/pqna33.htm#prophecy

Jesus was talking about fleeing to the mountains... or Pella

"Christianity came early to this city and its primary claim to fame, for Christians, is that it served as a place of refuge for believers who fled the coming siege and destruction of Jerusalem in the first century (circa 67 A.D.4), during the Great Jewish Revolt that led to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.. The early church understood Jesus' words in Matthew 24 as pertaining to their day, not a far future end times event at Jesus' physical return."
Lion Tracks Photo QnA -- Pella of the Decapolis. A mountain refuge for the early church.

That is just one of the many errors in the post... the rest, well, it would take a book the size of the Left Behind Series to discuss.
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I am at a loss to understand how ANYBODY thinks they can interpret books as bizarre, convoluted, circuitous, Byzantine, muddled, impenetrable, cryptic, and just plain confusing as Daniel and especially Revelation. There are as many different interpretations of these books as there are stars in the galaxy. NO ONE can make heads or tails out of them. I don't blame mercy---she's just parroting the kool-aid given to her over the years by slick, shyster prophecy pimps like Hulk Lindsley, Grand Jeffers, Jerk van Imp and Pimp LaVain who love to fleece gullible Christians of hard-earned $$$'s to finance their extravagant high-flying lifestyles (and by "high-flying" I mean multi-million $$$$$ Lear jets and private 737's they use to wisk them, their families and on occasion their mistresses off to vacations in exotic locations).

You'd have better luck throwing darts at a giant dartboard to get your meanings from Daniel and Revelation than you would reading them. Except for Gabriel's right-on prophecy of Jesus in Chapter 9 of Daniel, the rest of it is just one gigantic sandtrap. Skip them. The alternative is to stay utterly confused or deceived until you die.

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I am at a loss to understand how ANYBODY thinks they can interpret books as bizarre, convoluted, circuitous, Byzantine, muddled, impenetrable, cryptic, and just plain confusing as Daniel and especially Revelation. There are as many different interpretations of these books as there are stars in the galaxy. NO ONE can make heads or tails out of them. I don't blame mercy---she's just parroting the kool-aid given to her over the years by slick, shyster prophecy pimps like Hulk Lindsley, Grand Jeffers, Jerk van Imp and Pimp LaVain who love to fleece gullible Christians of hard-earned $$$'s to finance their extravagant high-flying lifestyles (and by "high-flying" I mean multi-million $$$$$ Lear jets and private 737's they use to wisk them, their families and on occasion their mistresses off to vacations in exotic locations).

You'd have better luck throwing darts at a giant dartboard to get your meanings from Daniel and Revelation than you would reading them. Except for Gabriel's right-on prophecy of Jesus in Chapter 9 of Daniel, the rest of it is just one gigantic sandtrap. Skip them. The alternative is to stay utterly confused or deceived until you die.

No one should listen to anyone who tells you to 'skip' any book of the Bible. The book of Revelation tells you itself in Revelation 1:3 that there is a blessing for reading it. It is a part of the Word of God. It is NOT to be disregarded. For someone to carry their argument with Hal Lindsey or someone else over to the Bible is illogical.

For some help in understanding Relevation try these links:

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
scroll down the page to the commentaries.

Revelation 1 Wesley's Notes on the Bible

History is moving towards the fulfillment of the events mentioned in Revelation and those who read the book and believe it will be blessed by it.
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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No one should listen to anyone who tells you to 'skip' any book of the Bible. The book of Revelation tells you itself in Revelation 1:3 that there is a blessing for reading it. It is a part of the Word of God. It is NOT to be disregarded. For someone to carry their argument with Hal Lindsey or someone else over to the Bible is illogical.

For some help in understanding Relevation try these links:

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
scroll down the page to the commentaries.

Revelation 1 Wesley's Notes on the Bible

History is moving towards the fulfillment of the events mentioned in Revelation and those who read the book and believe it will be blessed by it.
Yet Wesley wrote in the 1700's..... YIKES... guess those that read revelation then had no real blessing, but perhaps if we wait long enough....
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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If you want to see an antichrist.. look in the mirror. (yes, I include myself in this, of course.) We see through the glass darkly now. What is Christ? Love. What is antichrist? NON-love.

He will help you burn out the non-love in yourself as you walk through your path in life. He is faithful and true. His fire is the refiner's fire, it burns out the dross (non-love), the impurities (non-love) so in the end the metal is pure, (full of love and purged of non-love) and He will see Himself in the reflection.

Try looking inward at your own heart. And let His fire burn out that which is NON-love. That which is ANTI-Christ.

In the end, all will reflect His love.
He is doing a work in all.
Each in God's own time, in God's own way.

His plan is 100% perfect.
Have NO fear. Perfect love casts out ALL fear.

Just some thoughts...

peace.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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Greetings,

Perhaps these words of a certain biblical scripture may help : The Fear Of The Lord Is The Beginning Of Wisdom ! May we consider this "Profound" matter as not that of a "Gospel of Fear"... but as a most certain upcoming event prophesy found in the great "Book"... The appearance of the "Anti-Christ" is but a dramatic signal to all ... that the "End of the Age" is rapidly approaching !

Christians around the world are awaiting this very event .... a divine indication that the long awaited time for the return of the "Lamb Of God" .... once the reign of the Anti-Christ has reached it's tragic end !

Not A "Gospel Of Fear" ... But the "Beginning Of Wisdom" brought about via one's "Fear Of The Lord"!

Thank You / Lamar


much

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Old 10-17-2009, 06:58 PM
 
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For some help in understanding Relevation try these links:

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
scroll down the page to the commentaries.

Revelation 1 Wesley's Notes on the Bible

History is moving towards the fulfillment of the events mentioned in Revelation and those who read the book and believe it will be blessed by it.
Sorry, Mike. I'm with jeapostle, kat, preterist, and a bunch of others here. Revelation was fulfilled in the late part of the first century. It was written for those people who were living in the time that was near (70 AD)
As prophecy it has absolutely no relevance today, but if one insists on getting tangled up in it, one should just go for some of the things like "give praise to God". Trying to figure out who the second horseman is, or the little horn, or the ten kings, or the two witnesses or the great w*ore or the scarlet beast is a fool's errand.

There are lots of prophecy pimps out there who are only too happy to take your $$$$$'s to give you their half-baked ideas on what it all means. But I wouldn't put a dimes' worth of trust in anything prophecy pimps have to say about events they claim are going to happen "in the future".

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