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Old 11-04-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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As long as you reject the reality of the dispensational nature of God's plan for man, you will never be oriented to God's plan. But that is your choice.
Thanks. I choose to reject it, and I am in God's plan because I am in Christ.
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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Either the "Church Age" ended in 1998 after 2000 years commencing from the birth of Christ, or it ends in 2030-2032 after 2000 years commencing with His death. Remember dispensationalism's "golden timeline": 2000 years (Patriarchs) + 2000 (Mosaic) + 2000 (Church) = 6000 years of mankind + 1000 (Millennium) =7000 Grand Total God's plan for mankind on earth. Of course we've been here way longer than 6000 years now so this whole 6000 year theory nonsense is proven totally false.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:01 AM
 
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and thus the reason I dont do bible math....
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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Either the "Church Age" ended in 1998 after 2000 years commencing from the birth of Christ, or it ends in 2030-2032 after 2000 years commencing with His death. Remember dispensationalism's "golden timeline": 2000 years (Patriarchs) + 2000 (Mosaic) + 2000 (Church) = 6000 years of mankind + 1000 (Millennium) =7000 Grand Total God's plan for mankind on earth. Of course we've been here way longer than 6000 years now so this whole 6000 year theory nonsense is proven totally false.
No. The church-age ends whenever the rapture occurs. It could be next week, or it could be a thousand years from now. It is up to God. It is called the eminency of the rapture, and simply means that there are no prophecies that must be fulfilled before the rapture occurs. Man made theorys have no bearing on the reality of the dispensational nature of God's plan.

Also, the Church-age did not begin with the birth of Christ. It began on the day of Pentecost, which was fifty days after the resurrection of Christ.

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Old 11-06-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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No. The church-age ends whenever the rapture occurs. It could be next week, or it could be a thousand years from now. It is up to God. It is called the eminency of the rapture, and simply means that there are no prophecies that must be fulfilled before Christ returns. Man made theorys have no bearing on the reality of the dispensational nature of God's plan.
The "church" age ends at the SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST.

There is no such thing as a pre-tribulation "rapture". Do your research on this the pre-trib teaching and you will find out that it originated in the 1830's in Scotland by Margaret McDonald.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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The "church" age ends at the SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST.

There is no such thing as a pre-tribulation "rapture". Do your research on this the pre-trib teaching and you will find out that it originated in the 1830's in Scotland by Margaret McDonald.
You are mistaken. The pretribulational rapture is evident in the Bible itself. I have posted the scriptures which have demonstrated that. I have given the theology that requires a pretribulational rapture. I have provided a website that gives all the details. A person upon looking at all the evidence concerning the pretribulational necessity for the rapture either gets it or they don't.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:38 PM
 
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The "church" age ends at the SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST.

There is no such thing as a pre-tribulation "rapture". Do your research on this the pre-trib teaching and you will find out that it originated in the 1830's in Scotland by Margaret McDonald.

Originally Posted by Mike555
You are mistaken. The pretribulational rapture is evident in the Bible itself. I have posted the scriptures which have demonstrated that. I have given the theology that requires a pretribulational rapture. I have provided a website that gives all the details. A person upon looking at all the evidence concerning the pretribulational necessity for the rapture either gets it or they don't.
So THERE!!
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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Lot of rules to such systems....lot of rules...
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:35 PM
 
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No. The church-age ends whenever the rapture occurs. It could be next week, or it could be a thousand years from now. It is up to God. It is called the eminency of the rapture, and simply means that there are no prophecies that must be fulfilled before the rapture occurs. Man made theorys have no bearing on the reality of the dispensational nature of God's plan.

Also, the Church-age did not begin with the birth of Christ. It began on the day of Pentecost, which was fifty days after the resurrection of Christ.
Where in the Bible is there anything about any "church age." Certainly the Eclessia as wife of the Lamb, "The Divine Consort" if you will, is never coming to an end. Ecclessia is the body sitting on the throne. You accept these words and phrases from men though there is no occurences of them in the Bible. None!

"Eminent" means outstanding, distinguished. "Immanent" means existing or remaining within; inherent. The latter is used to mean "to occur at any moment" by racial dispensationalists to attach to whatever collection of things in the "Rapture" that thier specific sect expects to suddenly without warning to happen. Lets look a little more into it.

It seems a mistake to think our bodies being transfigured like unto His body of glory will happen for everybody all at once (and, not to digress upon here, it is a mistake to think that it is the same thing that happens to all of us, i.e., not only what, but how.) The only scripture I've been able to find that has been used to say this actually doesn't when more closely examined. (In a very real sense, I have no personal investment in how all this takes place. How could I care for anything other than seeking to discover what God reveals about it?) "...we all shall be changed, in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, IN the last trump..." 1 Cor 15:52 (http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=1Co+15%3A52 - broken link) 1.) "In an instant," or, "moment" (KJV) in Greek is in atomos, meaning "un-cut," or, "without division or separation." This is the only occurence I've yet found in the N.T.

About 300 years earlier, in classical (not Biblical) Greek, Plato used atomos to refer to what we in scientific terminology call the elements. Anything that was purified by "cutting" out everything mixed with it until there was nothing that could be separated from it any more was an element, such as gold, or sulfur, or iron, etc. In modern times we borrowed the term to apply to the similar "atoms" as in an "atomic" bomb. This is one possible meaning of the word here. The change coming is in the very foundation of our physical nature. The "elements" that make up our body, the very "atomic" structures will undergo a metamorphosis into an immortal body with incorruptible life.

Another consideration is provided in the use of the same word, in a positive rather than negative sense, prefixed with "rightly, or, correctly" as orthotomeo in 2 Tim 2:15 (http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=2Ti+2%3A15 - broken link) "erect-cut," "erect" meaning "upright," or, "'rightly' dividing" in the phrase "correctly cutting the word of truth." The word of the original Greek (as well as Hebrew) were written in a continuous string of letters. They put no divisions between the words. There was no punctuation. To cause the truth to rise one had to correctly cut it. Think of how this change will occur, with "negative-cutting," or, without interruption. Not only an inward peaceful transition, just taking the next step, a step over a threshold in a long journey leading up to it, without which you couldn't get there; but also, considered outwardly, it may imply that this would happen without the world observing a thing. There will be no discontinuity in the change He's talking about! (This bears some similarity to the next phrase to consider.)

An important thing is that this seems to be the only time this word occurs in the N. T. The word used everywhere else in the Scripture for "instantly, or, immediately" is parachrema, not of the same family. The other phrase is: "in the twinkle of an eye." This is r[h]ipe "the upward or downward motion of the eyelid." The change is in a "blink" of an eye; or, more literally it may be "'toss' of an eye," or, "'glance' of an eye," as when one looks from one place to another. Here is no inward disruption but continuity. The change is in looking from one place to another. It is not an indication of a length of time. We are changed "from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord" as we behold Him. The presence of the Lord occurs by our being brought into beholding Him in increasing glory. You tend to believe what you see. "The Glory" is His manifest presence.
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Old 11-07-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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No. The church-age ends whenever the rapture occurs. It could be next week, or it could be a thousand years from now. It is up to God. It is called the eminency of the rapture, and simply means that there are no prophecies that must be fulfilled before the rapture occurs. Man made theorys have no bearing on the reality of the dispensational nature of God's plan.

Also, the Church-age did not begin with the birth of Christ. It began on the day of Pentecost, which was fifty days after the resurrection of Christ.
The Church age has no end, "Unto him be glory IN THE CHURCH by Christ Jesus, THROUGHOUT ALL AGES, WORLD WITHOUT END. (Eph.3:21)
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