Regarding the Pre-Tribulational Rapture (woman, church, believe, scriptures)

[Mike555]

Here is a good article concerning the pre-tribulational rapture that might be of interest to some. It is accurate in its presentation of the events which are yet to occur. I hope it's of help to someone.

Prophecy in the news - The rapture of the Church

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Here is a good article concerning the pre-tribulational rapture that might be of interest to some. It is accurate in its presentation of the events which are yet to occur. I hope it's of help to someone.

Prophecy in the news - The rapture of the Church

YouTube - Debunking the Rapture -- Barbara Rossing

Now, that is my truth! I lived with this fear all throughout my childhood.. it (pre-trib rapture) is called abuse.

[Eusebius]

I don't believe the pre-trib rapture is abusive. Sure, people can abuse anything but that does not mean the truth is wrong because people abuse the truth.

Once the complement of the nations enters THEN all Israel shall be saved WHEN arriving out of Zion shall come the Rescuer (Romans 11:25,26). Between the time when we of the nations are taken out, the Jewish believers go through the great tribulation and then Christ comes back and rescues THEM. (Read Thassalonians too).

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

I don't believe the pre-trib rapture is abusive. Sure, people can abuse anything but that does not mean the truth is wrong because people abuse the truth.

Once the complement of the nations enters THEN all Israel shall be saved WHEN arriving out of Zion shall come the Rescuer (Romans 11:25,26). Between the time when we of the nations are taken out, the Jewish believers go through the great tribulation and then Christ comes back and rescues THEM. (Read Thassalonians too).

1st thing.... it is abusive. I spent about 10 years of my life being afraid that my being a child wasn't gonna save me from being left behind. That is abuse of power.

2nd thing.... there are no "pure" Israelites anymore and besides,

The bible states:
Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

1st thing.... it is abusive. I spent about 10 years of my life being afraid that my being a child wasn't gonna save me from being left behind. That is abuse of power.

2nd thing.... there are no "pure" Israelites anymore and besides,

The bible states:
Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

Like I say, just because you were abused by the pre-tribulation truth does not make that truth a lie.

People abuse many truths of the Scriptures like Grace and Sovereignty etc.

What does purity of Jewishness have to do with what I wrote? After we are taken out the valley of dry bones will take place and those pure Jews will come back to life.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Like I say, just because you were abused by the pre-tribulation truth does not make that truth a lie.

People abuse many truths of the Scriptures like Grace and Sovereignty etc.

What does purity of Jewishness have to do with what I wrote? After we are taken out the valley of dry bones will take place and those pure Jews will come back to life.

HUH? Valley of dry bones?

I guess I haven't been privy to that conversation yet. Enlighten me!

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

L After we are taken out the valley of dry bones will take place and those pure Jews will come back to life.

Time to bone up on your history. Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled in 536 BC when Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to Israel. Ezekiel wrote Chapter 37 sometime between 593 and 571 BC.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

Time to bone up on your history. Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled in 536 BC when Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to Israel. Ezekiel wrote Chapter 37 sometime between 593 and 571 BC.

Not so quick there thrillobyte, . . .

Eze 37:24 And My servant David [is] king over them, And one shepherd have they all, And in My judgments they go, And My statutes they keep, and have done them."

David has to be resurrected and be king over them during this interum period after the valley of dry bones episode.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Not so quick there thrillobyte, . . .

Eze 37:24 And My servant David [is] king over them, And one shepherd have they all, And in My judgments they go, And My statutes they keep, and have done them."

David has to be resurrected and be king over them during this interum period after the valley of dry bones episode.

What? David is to be resurrected and made king? What happened to the thought that Jesus is set up on David's throne?

Good Lord there are some outrageous ideas out there I haven't even hear of yet!

Can you post a link to a more in depth article about what you say so I can read it?
Thanks!

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

YouTube - Debunking the Rapture -- Barbara Rossing

Now, that is my truth! I lived with this fear all throughout my childhood.. it (pre-trib rapture) is called abuse.

Well it's pretty obvious, this woman simply does not believe the Bible. There is no way you can get around the given prophecies, unless your willing to ignore what is clearly stated in the Scriptures.