Never heard this: Catholics aren't Christians (Leviticus, priests, homosexuals, Isaiah)

[Jesusistherock]

Originally Posted by foma

So I've never heard this before until I started reading posts in this forum: that many Christians don't consider Catholics Christians. Yes, I've heard of other religions but my question is the Catholic religion. Why aren't Catholics Christian in some of you Christians' point of view?

My husband is Catholic so I asked him and he's never heard of this either. Can somebody respond to this?

i believe every single word that the Bible says. and the Bible is the only thing we can base our salvation upon. it doesn't necessarily matter what "denomination" we claim. we get so stuck on proving a point about what our denomination thinks that we don't wear the name of Christ or what His Truth says. Romans 10:9 says, "that if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord!" and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ alone. not through mary. not through earning your way by good works and such. it's found solely on the faith and trust one places in Jesus Christ. knowing that you are guilty before God because you have sinned against only him. and by the blood that Jesus shed on the cross, he paid the fine for us so that we can get to heaven.

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Isn't the Catholic Bible somewhat different than the Protestant Bible? Maybe that's what you're referring to. Clearly they're both Christian but I know that the Ten Commandments for example are worded slightly differently.

Do you consider leaving out "thou shalt make no graven image" slight?

Why do you think only Catholic crosses have a figure of Jesus on them?

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by HopOnPop

I think few non-RC Christians are aware that there are significant differences in the actual Bibles of different Chrsitian faiths. For starters, the Catholic OT Bible includes seven extra books -- often called the Deuterocanonical texts and are namely, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch and 1 and 2 Maccabees -- which do not appear in most, if not all, Protestant OT Bibles. So, depending upon whose perspective you want to follow, these books can be considered "in addition" to the Bible if you are not RC.

Here's a source that provides a great starting point for those who wish to investigate this fact a little more:

Books of the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The original 1611 King James Bible included those books as well. It was not a Catholic Bible.

[jcsam]

This is in response to an ealier post, I'm new to the posting quotes thingy.

Let's not forget that God didn't tell man to go to war (The Cursades), that was only mans doing. More specific, church politics at the time. If you read the Bible it preaches to love one another not kill. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't read the Bible or needs to re-read it. IMO

As far as Catholics go, I think the big mis-understanding is that they pray to the virgin mary. Exodus 20:4 talks about NOT bowing down to worship anything/anyone other than God. This is where the confusion comes in. IMO While Mary was a very important figure in the life of Jesus, there is no biblical evidence that was should pray to her. There are many other women who were considered "Blessed Women" in the Bible but we don't here about praying to them. The bottom line is, all worship should be directed to God alone through Jesus Christ. I'm no scholar, so if I'm wrong, by all means set me straight.

jb

[happ]

This thread just won't die! lol

It's almost impossible to separate Christians from each other since there is a blend of catholism throughout the Church.

I come from a family that is evenly divided between Roman Catholic and Lutherans and have had the advantage, as a Catholic to closely observe the Lutherans at worship & in conversations with my Lutheran relatives.

First off, the "conservative" reformers in the 1500's were careful not to abandon the Catholic faith. Luther regrettably considered anti-baptists [Baptists] as non-Christian & encouraged Lutherans to persecute Baptists. He felt that the protestant reformation was going too far away from the historic church. The Lutheran reformation, like the Anglicans, was an effort to address the un-Christian practices of selling indulgences & emphasizing good works over the salvation that comes from Christ's sacrifice.

But Luther was very careful not to leave the Catholic tradition of Mass & worship. That's why it is awkward for some Protestants to worship in a Lutheran or Episcopalian church since they retain the customs of the ancient Church & are much closer to the Roman Catholics than most Protestant churches in the way they conduct worship [cross themselves, bow to the altar, chant, kneel, etc]. There are even Lutheran & Anglican rosaries, nuns & monks, archbishops, prayers for the dead, saints days/holy days, consider Mary the Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, ever-virgin, etc.

When you consider that the world-wide Roman Catholic church, Orthodox’s, Lutherans and Anglicans overwhelmingly outnumber all other Christians, then they could actually say that most Protestants are not real Christians in the tradition of the historic Church

[cpg35223]

You know, I'm not Catholic, but I'm annoyed by this mentality. There are Bible beaters out there who believes that anybody who doesn't attend their church is not a real Christian. Sad if you really think about it.

[cpg35223]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

Do you consider leaving out "thou shalt make no graven image" slight?

Why do you think only Catholic crosses have a figure of Jesus on them?

There are actually two different traditions in Christianity regarding the Ten Commandments.

The one protestants follow was that by offered by the theologian Origen. The one Catholics follow is the one offered by St. Augustine. Origen's version contains the prohibition against graven imagery. St. Augustine's did not.

[laysayfair]

Originally Posted by DeLaSalle

The Schizm(Breaking apart from) the Catholic Church by the British had to do with One of the Kings(Henry the XIII, i think) wanted to divorce and remarry and The Pope(aka. the Bishop of Rome) would not grant him permission to remarry...So; Henry basically said, "I'll show you...I'll start the Church of England and I-the King-shall lead this church...

I think there was a little more to it than that.
I believe there were quite a few incidents of
"burning alive at the stake" for heresy that
got people a little riled up.

[corking28]

Catholics follow the Cathechism. This is manmade unbiblical traditions such as praying to Mary, rosary prayers, Saints, praying in front of Statues... Christians on the other hand always have a bible in their hand when they go to church and their church follows the bible and doesn't make up any traditions. Christians stay strict to the word of God. PLEASE read the New Testament.
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Originally Posted by robertpolyglot
First, this is NOT the place for those who want to bash Catholics. I only want discourse based on something I experienced while at Mass/Church.

I went to Mass at a parish I rarely go to. While waiting in the entry area, they had some leaflets I was looking at. One was entitled "Hell Exists and You Might Just Go There." I picked it up and read through it, quickly. Essentially, it talked about hell being a reality and it also added that praying the Rosary, including certain indispensible intermediate specific words of prayer, was essential to salvation. It was put out by one particular religious order. It made me fairly mad because it harkened back to the Catholic grammar school message of "you are basically bad kids" that is no longer "in vogue."

A couple of things:
(1) Do you still see the Catholic church, of which I am a member, as selling the "you are bad" scenario....I thought they were moving away from this....I mean, right now, churches are losing so many people that they can't be pushing this message
(2) How do you deal with the splintering of the Church by various orders? (As if the splintering between Christian sects wasn't already bad enough). Some orders push the Rosary and others do not. I once had a penance/atonement changed on me by a priest from another order because he disagreed with the previous priest's penance (which I brought up because I still hadn't done it because there were some logistics issues...not a big deal, really). There is this canyon between the liberal and the conservative, even within our own Church.

Catholics, or those familiar with Catholicism that aren't here to bash it, please chime in.

Originally Posted by foma

So I've never heard this before until I started reading posts in this forum: that many Christians don't consider Catholics Christians. Yes, I've heard of other religions but my question is the Catholic religion. Why aren't Catholics Christian in some of you Christians' point of view?

My husband is Catholic so I asked him and he's never heard of this either. Can somebody respond to this?

[laysayfair]

Originally Posted by Dee62

By MONTANAGUY

The problem people had with Kennedy was not that he was a Roman Catholic! Like Truman said: "I have no problem with him The problem I have is with the POP"! Big Daddy Kennedy was a big time organized crime boss! The Kennedys up until today still recieve monetary proceeds from the sale of every bottle of scotch and wiskey.

Mormons are not Christians! Mormons follow the book of Mormon not the Judeo-Christian Bible! The Book of Mormon says Jesus and Luicfer are brothers and joint creators of the world! On the other hand The Bible says that Jesus and only Jesus is the sole creator! Jesus Christ is the sole creator of Man the World and Universe!

People did indeed have a problem with Kennedy being Catholic. They were afraid a Catholic
President would have too much allegiance to the Pope. Many people left Europe to get away from Catholic persecution (Puritans for example) and the last thing they wanted was to live where a Catholic was in charge.