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Old 10-20-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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The Protestant Reformation was for the purpose of restoring the doctrines that the Catholic church distorted or buried.
It was but organized and became no different to the Catholic Church, an institution.
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Old 10-20-2009, 06:20 PM
 
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The inquisitions were the product of the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic church is not fundamental Christianity. It was the Catholic church that martyred those men who tried to bring the truth of God's word to the people.

The Protestant Reformation was for the purpose of restoring the doctrines that the Catholic church distorted or buried.
Mike...where do you believe the scriptures we have today came from? Was it not the Church of Rome?
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Old 10-20-2009, 06:26 PM
 
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It was but organized and became no different to the Catholic Church, an institution.
In your failure to distinquish between those churches, (most of them, for sure) that have departed from their divinely ordained purpose, and those few local independent doctrinally oriented churches that teach sound Biblical doctrine, your erronious solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water. And in so doing, you completely disregard the fact that the gift of pastor/teacher is a divinely ordained principle established in Eph. 4:11-16.
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Old 10-20-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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The inquisitions were the product of the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic church is not fundamental Christianity. It was the Catholic church that martyred those men who tried to bring the truth of God's word to the people.

The Protestant Reformation was for the purpose of restoring the doctrines that the Catholic church distorted or buried.
Right, like the doctrine of universal reconciliation which was accepted by the vast majority of the early Christians in the first 5 centuries AD, which was taught in 4 of the six theological schools of early Christendom? Until it was made heterodoxy by the very same catholic church you say is the mystery Babylon who also at the same time made eternal torture orthodoxy.

But back the violence perpetrated by Christians ... You say on the roman Catholic Church did such things?


What about Calvin?

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In Switzerland, John Calvin created a vicious theocracy in which morality police were employed to control people's behavior. Citizens were harshly punished for a wide variety of moral infractions, including dancing, drinking, and generally being entertained. Theological dissidents were summarily executed, like Michael Servetus who was burned for doubting the Trinity. It isn't surprising that some of the nastiest Christians in America today, like Christian Reconstructionists, are unabashed Calvinists.
Or the Huguenot wars and the Angelicans? ...

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During the many Huguenot wars ravaging France, Huguenot soldiers hunted priests like animals and one captain is reported to have worn a necklace of priests' ears. In England, after King Henry VIII created the Anglican Church, he went after both Catholics and Protestants. Catholic loyalists like Sir Thomas More were quickly executed, but Lutherans who doubted retained doctrines like transubstantiation were also not spared.
How about the knights war of 1522 and the Anabaptists?

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The Knights' War of 1522-23, in which members of the lower nobility rebelled against the authorities in southwestern Germany, was quickly crushed. Some of the rampaging knights were ardent supporters of Luther. The Peasants' War of 1524-25 was more serious, involving as many as 300,000 peasants in southwestern and central Germany. Influenced somewhat by the new religious ideas but responding mostly to changing economic conditions, the peasants' rebellion spread quickly, but without coordination. It also received support from some dissatisfied city dwellers and from some noblemen of arms who led its ragged armies. Although the peasants' rebellion was the largest uprising in German history, it was quickly suppressed, with about 100,000 casualties. In the 1530s, the Anabaptists, a radical Christian sect, seized several towns, their objective being to construct a just society. They were likewise brutally suppressed by the authorities.
How about the Salem witch trials, and all the other religious persecution and violence in the the last few centuries which was due to puritan Christan theocracies Such as the one set of by Calvin?

How about the new American crusades of the middle east which was proclaimed by George Bush Jr. to be a war against evil? The wars which still rage which are backed by many fundamentalist Christians all over America? Get real will you? Sure the Roman Catholic Church may have been the worst of them, but the fundamentalist and puritanical protestants are hardly innocent.

What about the Christian(protestants included) violence in Ulster?

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British statistics, which are not challenged by Protestant loyalist forces or the Roman Catholic republican paramilitary organizations, show that since late 1991, the Protestants of the Ulster Freedom Fighters and the Ulster Volunteer Force have been killing more people in the conflict, which has left 3,155 dead since 1969.
Wake up people, this crap is still going on even today in the name of God and Christianity ...

And the physical violence is not the only violence being perpetrated on the world by Christianity. The psyochological and spiritual violence and apartheid is raging all over America as we speak, with fundamentalists and orthodox Catholics proclaiming the eternal violence and tortures of hell on any and every person who does not conform to their way of believing.

Its all the same thing in Gods eyes.

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Old 10-20-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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I thought the book was alright. Has a good message

Mike, your belief system relies on a Jesus whose work hasn't been completed. Your belief system relies on the power of sin and death over mankind, when in fact Jesus took care of that for you in His blood. Stop worrying about the flesh of mankind, and feed your spirit with...what did ChrysterGirl say...."real meat". Get off that milk...it will give you the runs eventually.

And you are running......
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Old 10-20-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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I thought the book was alright. Has a good message

Mike, your belief system relies on a Jesus whose work hasn't been completed. Your belief system relies on the power of sin and death over mankind, when in fact Jesus took care of that for you in His blood. Stop worrying about the flesh of mankind, and feed your spirit with...what did ChrysterGirl say...."real meat". Get off that milk...it will give you the runs eventually.

And you are running......
You have no idea what you are talking about. Besides, if I remember correctly you were defending the fact that unbelievers go to the lake of fire in some other posts.

And if you found no problem with the book then you have no idea of how blasphemous it is.
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:08 PM
 
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In your failure to distinquish between those churches, (most of them, for sure) that have departed from their divinely ordained purpose, and those few local independent doctrinally oriented churches that teach sound Biblical doctrine, your erronious solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water. And in so doing, you completely disregard the fact that the gift of pastor/teacher is a divinely ordained principle established in Eph. 4:11-16.
I am not throwing any babies out with the bath water(Which by the way is not as bad as what's being said on the babies in hell thread) , just stating that every denomination (daughter of the Catholic Church) organized around a truth(a doctrine) and became no different from the organization it left (ichabod)
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:13 PM
 
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Right, like the doctrine of universal reconciliation which was accepted by the vast majority of the early Christians in the first 5 centuries AD, which was taught in 4 of the six theological schools of early Christendom? Until it was made heterodoxy by the very same catholic church you say is the mystery Babylon who also at the same time made eternal torture orthodoxy.

But back the violence perpetrated by Christians ... You say on the roman Catholic Church did such things?


What about Calvin?

Or the Huguenot wars and the Angelicans? ...

How about the knights war of 1522 and the Anabaptists?

How about the Salem witch trials, and all the other religious persecution and violence in the the last few centuries which was due to puritan Christan theocracies Such as the one set of by Calvin?

How about the new American crusades of the middle east which was proclaimed by George Bush Jr. to be a war against evil? The wars which still rage which are backed by many fundamentalist Christians all over America? Get real will you? Sure the Roman Catholic Church may have been the worst of them, but the fundamentalist and puritanical protestants are hardly innocent.

What about the Christian(protestants included) violence in Ulster?

Wake up people, this crap is still going on even today in the name of God and Christianity ...

And the physical violence is not the only violence being perpetrated on the world by Christianity. The psyochological and spiritual violence and apartheid is raging all over America as we speak, with fundamentalists and orthodox Catholics proclaiming the eternal violence and tortures of hell on any and every person who does not conform to their way of believing.

Its all the same thing in Gods eyes.
Your refusal to believe what the Bible teaches about eternal condemnation, your denial of it because you find it objectionable, has seriously distorted your thinking. You just can't get it through your head that the word of God makes it absolutely clear that if you reject Christ as Savior, you are going to spend eternity in the lake of fire. And so in your mind, it must be the invention of the evil church which wants to foster violence and mayhem all over the world. Well, if it gives you some distorted sense of security or whatever the reason you feel the need to cling to false teaching, go right on and continue with it. You'll find out the hard way that you were wrong.
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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Your refusal to believe what the Bible teaches about eternal condemnation, your denial of it because you find it objectionable, has seriously distorted your thinking. You just can't get it through your head that the word of God makes it absolutely clear that if you reject Christ as Savior, you are going to spend eternity in the lake of fire. And so in your mind, it must be the invention of the evil church which wants to foster violence and mayhem all over the world. Well, if it gives you some distorted sense of security or whatever the reason you feel the need to cling to false teaching, go right on and continue with it. You'll find out the hard way that you were wrong.

Pro 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

God has allowed the truth of his reconciliation of all things to himself and the purpose of his fiery judgments to be concealed from man in order to prove here and now in the ages who will be worthy of the honor of being king and a priest along with Christ in the millennium. Now we will see if you are able to unravel the 2000 year long riddle which the bible has become to find the truth. You have been given every opportunity, it is not for a lack of understanding if you are not to be so honored, it is for a lack of desire to know the truth.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Besides, if I remember correctly you were defending the fact that unbelievers go to the lake of fire in some other posts.

And if you found no problem with the book then you have no idea of how blasphemous it is.
And you, like much if the church that has swallowed the "left behind" theology, want the entire Jewish Race to go through a genocidal event....talk about delusion....

And what do you know about blasphemy anyway? You deny the completive work of the cross!
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