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Old 11-24-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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You are just misapplying that scripture..............
I believe in the good news of the Gospel. I believe that God justifies the ungodly.

Rom 4:5 But to the one not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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you are so mature....
The statement i made to which you responded in the above has nothing to do with maturity ...


It was not a personal attack ... That is the only thing i can imagine that would allow you to believe in eternal torture.

If you loved someone truly, the idea of that person being tortured for a week or even a day would be absolutely unbearable for you ... How much more the thought of them being tortured for eternity?
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Old 11-25-2009, 02:52 AM
 
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You are just misapplying that scripture..............
I don't think so id ET is in your belief system it's part of your treasure . As a man thinks in his heart so is he. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks . We only have to listen to each other for five minutes to know what's in our heart.
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:43 AM
 
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Rev 19:20 AndG2532 theG3588 beastG2342 was taken,G4084 andG2532 withG3326 himG5127 theG3588 false prophetG5578 that wroughtG4160 miraclesG4592 beforeG1799 him,G846 withG1722 whichG3739 he deceivedG4105 them that had receivedG2983 theG3588 markG5480 of theG3588 beast,G2342 andG2532 them that worshippedG4352 hisG848 image.G1504 These bothG1417 were castG906 aliveG2198 intoG1519 a lakeG3041 of fireG4442 burningG2545 withG1722 brimstone.G2303

Rev 20:10 AndG2532 theG3588 devilG1228 that deceivedG4105 themG846 was castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 lakeG3041 of fireG4442 andG2532 brimstone,G2303 whereG3699 theG3588 beastG2342 andG2532 theG3588 false prophetG5578 are, andG2532 shall be tormentedG928 dayG2250 andG2532 nightG3571 for ever and ever.G1519 G165 G165

Rev 20:14 AndG2532 deathG2288 andG2532 hellG86 were castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 lakeG3041 of fire.G4442 ThisG3778 isG2076 theG3588 secondG1208 death.G2288

Rev 20:15 AndG2532 whosoeverG1536 was notG3756 foundG2147 writtenG1125 inG1722 theG3588 bookG976 of lifeG2222 was castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 lakeG3041 of fire.G4442

Rev 21:8 ButG1161 the fearful,G1169 andG2532 unbelieving,G571 andG2532 the abominable,G948 andG2532 murderers,G5406 andG2532 whoremongers,G4205 andG2532 sorcerers,G5332 andG2532 idolaters,G1496 andG2532 allG3956 liars,G5571 shall have theirG848 partG3313 inG1722 theG3588 lakeG3041 which burnethG2545 with fireG4442 andG2532 brimstone:G2303 which isG3603 the secondG1208 death.G2288
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:19 AM
 
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Rev 19:20 AndG2532 theG3588 beastG2342 was taken,G4084 andG2532 withG3326 himG5127 theG3588 false prophetG5578 that wroughtG4160 miraclesG4592 beforeG1799 him,G846 withG1722 whichG3739 he deceivedG4105 them that had receivedG2983 theG3588 markG5480 of theG3588 beast,G2342 andG2532 them that worshippedG4352 hisG848 image.G1504 These bothG1417 were castG906 aliveG2198 intoG1519 a lakeG3041 of fireG4442 burningG2545 withG1722 brimstone.G2303

Rev 20:10 AndG2532 theG3588 devilG1228 that deceivedG4105 themG846 was castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 lakeG3041 of fireG4442 andG2532 brimstone,G2303 whereG3699 theG3588 beastG2342 andG2532 theG3588 false prophetG5578 are, andG2532 shall be tormentedG928 dayG2250 andG2532 nightG3571 for ever and ever.G1519 G165 G165

Rev 20:14 AndG2532 deathG2288 andG2532 hellG86 were castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 lakeG3041 of fire.G4442 ThisG3778 isG2076 theG3588 secondG1208 death.G2288

Rev 20:15 AndG2532 whosoeverG1536 was notG3756 foundG2147 writtenG1125 inG1722 theG3588 bookG976 of lifeG2222 was castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 lakeG3041 of fire.G4442

Rev 21:8 ButG1161 the fearful,G1169 andG2532 unbelieving,G571 andG2532 the abominable,G948 andG2532 murderers,G5406 andG2532 whoremongers,G4205 andG2532 sorcerers,G5332 andG2532 idolaters,G1496 andG2532 allG3956 liars,G5571 shall have theirG848 partG3313 inG1722 theG3588 lakeG3041 which burnethG2545 with fireG4442 andG2532 brimstone:G2303 which isG3603 the secondG1208 death.G2288
Richard, if you are interested, read this:

L. Ray Smith - The Lake of Fire - Part 1

It may help in understanding those verses you posted.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:18 AM
 
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Richard, if you are interested, read this:

L. Ray Smith - The Lake of Fire - Part 1

It may help in understanding those verses you posted.
I understand them, they say what they say.....and the translations and definitions of the greek words are what they are..........
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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Richard, if you are interested, read this:

L. Ray Smith - The Lake of Fire - Part 1

It may help in understanding those verses you posted.
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Jud 1:16 TheseG3778 areG1526 murmurers,G1113 complainers,G3202 walkingG4198 afterG2596 their ownG848 lusts;G1939 andG2532 theirG848 mouthG4750 speakethG2980 great swellingG5246 words, having men's persons in admirationG2296 G4383 because ofG5484 advantage.G5622
Jud 1:17 But,G1161 beloved,G27 rememberG3415 yeG5210 theG3588 wordsG4487 which were spoken beforeG4280 ofG5259 theG3588 apostlesG652 of ourG2257 LordG2962 JesusG2424 Christ;G5547
Jud 1:18 How thatG3754 they toldG3004 youG5213 there should(G3754) beG2071 mockersG1703 inG1722 the lastG2078 time,G5550 who should walkG4198 afterG2596 their ownG1438 ungodlyG763 lusts.G1939
Jud 1:19 TheseG3778 beG1526 they who separateG592 themselves,G1438 sensual,G5591 havingG2192 notG3361 the Spirit.G4151

G1827
ἐξελέγχω
exelegchō
ex-el-eng'-kho
From G1537 and G1651; to convict fully, that is, (by implication) to punish: - convince.

Doen't look like He is coming to save them but punish them.....
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:37 AM
 
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Mar 9:44 WhereG3699 theirG846 wormG4663 diethG5053 not,G3756 andG2532 theG3588 fireG4442 is notG3756 quenched.G4570
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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Mar 9:43 AndG2532 ifG1437 thyG4675 handG5495 offendG4624 thee,G4571 cut it off:G609 G846 it isG2076 betterG2570 for theeG4671 to enterG1525 intoG1519 lifeG2222 maimed,G2948 thanG2228 havingG2192 twoG1417 handsG5495 to goG565 intoG1519 hell,G1067 intoG1519 theG3588 fireG4442 that never shall be quenched:G762
Mar 9:44 WhereG3699 theirG846 wormG4663 diethG5053 not,G3756 andG2532 theG3588 fireG4442 is notG3756 quenched.G4570
Mar 9:45 AndG2532 ifG1437 thyG4675 footG4228 offendG4624 thee,G4571 cut it off:G609 G846 it isG2076 betterG2570 for theeG4671 to enterG1525 haltG5560 intoG1519 life,G2222 thanG2228 havingG2192 twoG1417 feetG4228 to be castG906 intoG1519 hell,G1067 intoG1519 theG3588 fireG4442 that never shall be quenched:G762
Mar 9:46 WhereG3699 theirG846 wormG4663 diethG5053 not,G3756 andG2532 theG3588 fireG4442 is notG3756 quenched.G4570
Mar 9:47 AndG2532 ifG1437 thineG4675 eyeG3788 offendG4624 thee,G4571 pluck it out:G1544 G846 it isG2076 betterG2570 for theeG4671 to enterG1525 intoG1519 theG3588 kingdomG932 of GodG2316 with one eye,G3442 thanG2228 havingG2192 twoG1417 eyesG3788 to be castG906 intoG1519 hellG1067 fire:G4442
Mar 9:48 WhereG3699 theirG846 wormG4663 diethG5053 not,G3756 andG2532 theG3588 fireG4442 is notG3756 quenched.G4570
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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I believe in the good news of the Gospel. I believe that God justifies the ungodly.

Rom 4:5 But to the one not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Again, you misapply scripture, he is talking about works vs. grace.............
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