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Old 12-07-2009, 06:15 PM
 
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You fundy are off your rocker how can we not sing , shout, proclaim this amazing love of God ? how can you even think that such a ghastly thought that God's love can be legalistic , Love sets us free , we can never love until we know we are truely loved of God , Fundy for the last time HE IS LOVE 1 JOHN 4 : 8 , love is not an attribute of God , all is attributes stem from Him being love.
No God's love is not legalistic. Your use of God's love is legalistic
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:16 PM
 
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God accomplishes what He desires is very much scriptual.

So if He desires it, He will accomplish it

11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. Isaiah 55 verse 11
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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No God's love is not legalistic. Your use of God's love is legalistic
How can it be ? because i refuse to accept that you somehow think that the Love of God is different to the love He as called us to love by.

If i bless instead of curse i am demonstrating the love of God , if i do good to them that spitefully use me i am demonstrating the love of God , if i turn the other cheek i am demonstrating the love of God , Jesus said by this shall all men know you are my disciples that you have love one for another , oh hang on according to you they know us by our doctrine and a perverted view of the love of God.

Let me reiterate to you again Fundy the thoughts and ways of God that are higher than ours are thoughts of love and the ways of love.

So what i want to know from you is how i am being legalistic about saying God is love and loving one another is what He as called us to ?.

Read 1 Corinthians 13!!!!!!!!!! it explains what love is , i do not read in that chapter about love sending babies to ET , Love doing what the hell it likes , Love destroying people .

I actually think you are malfunctioning attacking love and attributing it to being something it isn't.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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God accomplishes what He desires is very much scriptual.

So if He desires it, He will accomplish it

11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. Isaiah 55 verse 11
Word proofing eisegesis at its best. I commend you for the search, but you are....wrong in your assumption. Two different contexts, two different applications.

Let me help you:

Isa 55:11 55:11 ουτως εσται το ρημα μου ο εαν εξελθη εκ του στοματος μου ου μη αποστραφη εως αν συντελεσθη οσα ηθελησα και ευοδωσω τας οδους σου και τα ενταλματα μου

Isa 55:11 so shall my word be, whatever shall proceed out of my mouth, it shall by no means turn back, until all the things which I willed shall have been accomplished; and I will make thy ways prosperous, and will effect my commands

1 Tim 2:4 ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν

Context Context Context! Different words and meanings.

However, I would expect that from someone who promotes UR anyway.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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Word proofing eisegesis at its best. I commend you for the search, but you are....wrong in your assumption. Two different contexts, two different applications.
It wasn't research it was the Lord bringing to rememberance the things He as taught me.

I do not think for one moment it was taken out of context , there is a common thread throughout the whole bible and it's called the heart of God who just happens to be Jesus.

The Son(Jesus) is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being. Hebrews 1 verse 3
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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Any Calvinists here?


Personally, I thought Hobbes made more sense.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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It wasn't research it was the Lord bringing to rememberance the things He as taught me.

I do not think for one moment it was taken out of context , there is a common thread throughout the whole bible and it's called the heart of God who just happens to be Jesus.

The Son(Jesus) is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being. Hebrews 1 verse 3
ok...so let's do it your way...and stay in context of 55:11

Preceeding that we see in verse 7:

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

So what His will is righteous and will come to fruition, but it is man's choice do be wicked, and forsake his way, thus his pardon revoked.
Remember, this is man, not soul or spirit after death. Something that UR seems to ever so confuse. God's will and desire is that all men come to the knowledge of truth, but it is man's choice and rejection of that knowledge which condemns him.

What I was saying in regards to 1 Tim and Isaiah 55, is that the words used: will or desire and that which he pleases are being applied to two very different contexts and undestandings. God will fulfill what He desires for the man seeking Him, but it is that man who turns from Him, in his anthropos, who rejects the knowledge of truth, and therefore condemns himself into eternal separation from God.
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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Any Calvinists here?


Personally, I thought Hobbes made more sense.
Thanks for the laugh....
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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God desires that all people be saved. But, not all people will be saved.
This is a ridiculous and unscriptural view of God you have.

So God desires that all people be saved, but its just not gonna happen. Wishful thinking on God's part. God really really really wishes that all people would be saved, but He can't make it happen. God desires something He knows will never happen.

Why would God pine away in His own impotence? God doesn't wait for things to happen. He makes them happen.
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You have already disregarded the plain truth of Isaiah 55:11.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

But your disregarding of the word will not stop God's will and pleasure. God desires to save all men, and He will make it happen:

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please
.

Job 23:13 "But he stands alone, and who can oppose him?
He does whatever he pleases.


Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

So we see God is not bound by man's will, but man is bound by God's plan and purpose.

God does what He pleases, and it pleases Him to save all men. Your unbelief won't stop Him. You can take it up with God if you don't like it.
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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This is a ridiculous and unscriptural view of God you have.
That's what the text says...not me.
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