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Old 10-22-2009, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I always wondered why biblical literalists can pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative....

Take Luke 6:30 for example...

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

Jesus said to give to everyone who asks..

Please send me all your money.

If you are a literalist, what is your reasoning for not obeying the direct command of Jesus?

See.. it is that kind of non-literal literalism that I can't understand.

I have yet to receive a check from any literalists or even an IOU...
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Old 10-22-2009, 04:57 AM
 
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What about plucking out your eye and cutting of your hand when we sin ? . If we took this literally most of us would be blind and lame literally .
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:01 AM
 
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I always wondered why biblical literalists can pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative....

Take Luke 6:30 for example...

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

Jesus said to give to everyone who asks..

Please send me all your money.

If you are a literalist, what is your reasoning for not obeying the direct command of Jesus?

See.. it is that kind of non-literal literalism that I can't understand.

I have yet to receive a check from any literalists or even an IOU...
I believe this falls into the "don't suffer a fool" category...

Or perhaps "casting pearls before swine"...

or, oh never mind.
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:08 AM
 
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I always wondered why biblical literalists can pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative....

Take Luke 6:30 for example...

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

Jesus said to give to everyone who asks..

Please send me all your money.

If you are a literalist, what is your reasoning for not obeying the direct command of Jesus?

See.. it is that kind of non-literal literalism that I can't understand.

I have yet to receive a check from any literalists or even an IOU...

I thought you wanted to be serious, temper literalism with Solomons wisdom
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I always wondered why biblical literalists can pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative....

Take Luke 6:30 for example...

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

Jesus said to give to everyone who asks..

Please send me all your money.

If you are a literalist, what is your reasoning for not obeying the direct command of Jesus?

See.. it is that kind of non-literal literalism that I can't understand.

I have yet to receive a check from any literalists or even an IOU...
I would like the "literalists" to respond to these questions that I posted in another forum but were left answered:

I'm am just really and seriously curious about something...why is it that "literalists" take a book of symbols (Revelation), read it "literally" and espouse that those "literal" things are going to happen?

But when Jesus said:

Mt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, John (the Baptist) himself is Elijah who was to come.

Mt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

11 And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
12 but I say to you that Elijah already came (John the Baptist), and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Mk 9:11 They asked Him, saying, "Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

12 And He said to them, "Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13 "But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come (John the Baptist), and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him."

Lk 1:17 "It is he (John the Baptist) who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

The above are all a fulfillment of this prophecy:
Mal 4:5 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.


Mt 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Mt 24:32 "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;

33 so, you too (the Apostles), when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Mk 13:28 "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near.

29 "Even so, you too (the Apostles), when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 30 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Lk 11:49 "For this reason also the wisdom of God said, 'I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute,

50 so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.'

Lk 21:29 Then He told them a parable: "Behold the fig tree and all the trees;

30 as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near.
31 "So you also, when you see (the Apostles) these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. 32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.

These clear and precise words of Jesus are either ignored, twisted or given some false meaning.

When I read these things...it clearly says that Jesus would return before the people He was speaking to, those in the generation He was speaking to, would die.

I really am curious how "literalists" justify taking a book of symbols and give it "literal" meaning by a "literal" read and then ignore other "literal" clear and precise statments that Jesus expressly made giving the time of His return?

I can't wait for the answers!
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:40 AM
 
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I always wondered why biblical literalists can pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative....

Take Luke 6:30 for example...

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

Jesus said to give to everyone who asks..

Please send me all your money.

If you are a literalist, what is your reasoning for not obeying the direct command of Jesus?

See.. it is that kind of non-literal literalism that I can't understand.

I have yet to receive a check from any literalists or even an IOU...
Huh?! What you just said, did you mean that literally or figuratively?

If I said, it's raining cats and dogs outside? Are you going to think that cats and dogs are literally falling from the sky or are you going to interpret it to mean it is literally raining and the "cats and dogs" are only figurative?
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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What about plucking out your eye and cutting of your hand when we sin ? . If we took this literally most of us would be blind and lame literally .
True.. so what criteria do us ignoramus' use to determine what is to be taken literally... sure we humans can change a punishment from "cut of the hand and plucking out eyes" to imprisonment or death... but Jesus didn't seem to be requesting something too difficult in Luke 6:30..
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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I thought you wanted to be serious, temper literalism with Solomons wisdom
I am serious...

If Christ will literally touch down on the mount of olives and split it in two.. then why wouldn't you follow a simple think like giving me all your money?

Seems like a wise thing to do to me after all I'm the one who gets the money.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:11 AM
 
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I would like the "literalists" to respond to these questions that I posted in another forum but were left answered:

I'm am just really and seriously curious about something...why is it that "literalists" take a book of symbols (Revelation), read it "literally" and espouse that those "literal" things are going to happen?

But when Jesus said:

Mt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, John (the Baptist) himself is Elijah who was to come.

Mt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

11 And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
12 but I say to you that Elijah already came (John the Baptist), and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Mk 9:11 They asked Him, saying, "Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

12 And He said to them, "Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13 "But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come (John the Baptist), and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him."

Lk 1:17 "It is he (John the Baptist) who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

The above are all a fulfillment of this prophecy:
Mal 4:5 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.


Mt 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Mt 24:32 "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;

33 so, you too (the Apostles), when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Mk 13:28 "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near.

29 "Even so, you too (the Apostles), when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 30 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Lk 11:49 "For this reason also the wisdom of God said, 'I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute,

50 so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.'

Lk 21:29 Then He told them a parable: "Behold the fig tree and all the trees;

30 as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near.
31 "So you also, when you see (the Apostles) these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. 32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.

These clear and precise words of Jesus are either ignored, twisted or given some false meaning.

When I read these things...it clearly says that Jesus would return before the people He was speaking to, those in the generation He was speaking to, would die.

I really am curious how "literalists" justify taking a book of symbols and give it "literal" meaning by a "literal" read and then ignore other "literal" clear and precise statments that Jesus expressly made giving the time of His return?

I can't wait for the answers!
Yikes now that is a tall order! I just wanted some cash.. LOL

Seriously though.. what criteria do literalists use for deciding what is literal and what is figurative...

All the above listed things should be taken literally right?
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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Huh?! What you just said, did you mean that literally or figuratively?

If I said, it's raining cats and dogs outside? Are you going to think that cats and dogs are literally falling from the sky or are you going to interpret it to mean it is literally raining and the "cats and dogs" are only figurative?
BIBLE .. If you said it's raining period I wouldn't have to take you literally... I am talking about biblical literalists LOL
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