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Old 12-05-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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A precious member and I were discussing the differences we have on this forum of believers. Now that the lines are being drawn again, I thought I would list four staples of the Christian faith. As God is my strength, I will never stray from these:

1. God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

2. The blood of Jesus for the remission of sins

3. There is one mediator between God and man: Christ Jesus

4. Jesus is the way, truth, and the life - apart from Him, there is no other name by which men can be saved.

There are obviously many other issues that we may differ on, but it's these points that we build upon as Christians.


What say you - do these four points stray from your belief?
I have to disagree on 3 of them.

There is only one God, we are his sons/daughters and the Holy SPirit is His instrument that conveys His Love into our souls.

Divine Love for the remission of sins

No mediator is needed when you pray directly to our Father. He is the only one who can answer our prayers.

Yes, Jesus is the way, truth and life. The way He lived His life in Love for God and each other through Divine Love bringing the light of God to the world so that we may become as Jesus was on earth. Now that Divine Love has been rebestowed, we can go directly to God and ask for the Gift that was forfeited with the first parents. Since Jesus brought it forth, we no longer need a mediator. Jesus showed the way.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:11 PM
 
Location: RV Park
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There is only one God, we are his sons/daughters and the Holy SPirit is His instrument that conveys His Love into our souls.
Three manifestations in scripture of that one God - that's what I see.

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Divine Love for the remission of sins.
For this is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Mat 26:28)

...Without the shedding of blood there is no remission. (Heb 9:22)

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No mediator is needed when you pray directly to our Father. He is the only one who can answer our prayers.
Without the work at Calvary, the vail would not be torn (Mat 27:51). Again, scripture states that Jesus is the only (hello Catholics) mediator between God and man, and is forever interceeding (Heb 7:25).

I do believe that we have access to the Throne, and we can boldly approach because of the preasthood of Christ (Heb 4). I gotta stay with scripture.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Depends... #1 - does that mean God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or do you just mean the main characters are God the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit...
I was wondering that as well.

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Old 12-05-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Default Jesus is Not God

Jesus was the instrument in God's hands of leading men to His Father and Love. When Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life," he meant that through his teachings and example men should be able to find God.

He was not God and never claimed to be. The worship of Jesus as a God is blasphemous and he did not teach it. Jesus is a son of God as you are. Do not let the teachings of men lead you to worship Jesus as a God. He is not. There is no trinity - only one God, the Father. He is one and alone. Jesus is His teacher of truth, the Holy Spirit is His messenger and dispenser of Love to mankind. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are only His instruments in bringing man to a union with Him. Jesus is not the equal of the Father - God is the only true God. Jesus came from the spirit world to earth and took the form of man, but he did not become a God - only the son of the Father.


Jesus was the only son when on earth who until then had become bested with the Divine love of God to the extent of being wholly free from sin and error. Jesus’ life was not a life of earthly pleasure or sin, but was given wholly by his Father's work. He was His only son in that light. Jesus was born as you were born. He was the son of Mary and Joseph. He was only a human being as regards to his birth and physical existence. The account in the New Testament is not true, and was written by those who knew not what they wrote. They have done the cause of God's truths much injury. Let not your belief in that error keep you from seeing that Jesus teachings are the truth. Be only a believer of God and His truths and you will soon be in the Kingdom. Pray for his Divine Love to enter your soul……

Let His Spirit come into your soul. Your will is the thing that determines whether you will become a child of God or not. Unless you are willing to let the Holy Spirit enter into your heart, it will not do so. Only the voluntary submission to or acceptance of the Holy Spirit will make the change.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Add another one to the agree list Little Elmer! Woo Hoo!
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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He was not God and never claimed to be. The worship of Jesus as a God is blasphemous and he did not teach it.
(Christ Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. (Phil 2:6)

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. (Rev 5:13)

...And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. (Rev 7:10)



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Jesus is a son of God as you are. Do not let the teachings of men lead you to worship Jesus as a God.


John the revelator was wrong, and you are right - not.
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Old 12-05-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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(Christ Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. (Phil 2:6)
You can say this of any of the prophets.. that they spoke for God.. Not God said this all the time but their words came from God. He didn't steal from God when he considered what he did and said to be God speaking through him. That is what I see in that verse. Jesus was in the form of God.. the image of God. My son is the image of his father too.

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And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. (Rev 5:13)
I see that there is a distinction here between the one that is sitting on the throne and the Lamb. They are not the same being. Is God a sheep that his son is a lamb?

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...And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. (Rev 7:10)
And this just reiterates that is is our GOD that is sitting on the throne and the Lamb is separate and at the right hand. A definite difference in authority and substance.

1 Cor. 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Even the son is subject to God who gave him the authority in the first place.
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Old 12-05-2009, 08:58 PM
 
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Jesus is Not God
No, that is incorrect; thus you are incorrect.
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:07 PM
 
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No, that is incorrect; thus you are incorrect.

Sorry - you are incorrect. Jesus Is NOT God The majority of religions believe he is not God
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:16 PM
 
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Sorry - you are incorrect. Jesus Is NOT God The majority of religions believe he is not God
You do realize that your espousing open heresy? And I don't care what "the majority of religions" think they are then heretics as well. I would urge to repent and believe the gospel!
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