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Old 12-07-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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When Jesus was on earth he was not worshiped as God, but was considered merely as a “son of God,” in the sense that in him were imposed the truths of the Father and many of His wonderful and mysterious powers. Jesus did not proclaim to be God; neither did he permit any of his disciples to believe that he was God, but only that he was His beloved son, sent to proclaim to mankind God’s truths and show them the way to the love of the Father. He was no different from other men, except that he possessed this love of God to a degree which made him free from sin, and prevented the evils that formed a part of the nature of men from becoming a part of his nature.
No man who believes that Jesus is God has a knowledge of the truth, or is obeying the commandments of God by worshiping Jesus. Such worshipers are doing the cause of God and Jesus’ teachings great injury; for many a man would have become a true believer in and worshiper of the Father and a follower of his teachings had not this erroneous doctrine been interpolated into the Bible. It was not with Jesus’ authority, or in consequence of his teachings that such doctrine was promulgated or believed in. Jesus is a son of the Father, as you are; and while he was always free from sin and error, yet you are His son also, and if you will seek earnestly and pray to the Father with faith, you may become as free from sin and error as Jesus was then, and is now.
The Father is Himself, alone. There is no other God besides Him, and no other God to be worshiped. Jesus was and is his teacher of truth, and Jesus is “the way, the truth and the life,” (John 14.6) because in him are those qualities of goodness and knowledge which fit Jesus to show the way and lead men to eternal life in the Father, and to teach them that God has prepared a kingdom in which they may live forever, if they so desire.

No man can come to the Father’s love, except he be born again. (John 3.3) This is the great and fundamental truth for men to learn and believe, for without this “new birth” men cannot partake of the divine essence of God’s love, which, when possessed by a man, makes him at-one with the Father. This love comes to man by the workings of the holy spirit, which causes this love to flow into his heart and soul, filling it, so that all sin and error is eradicated.
Let not men think that by any effort of their own they can come into this union with the Father, because they cannot. No river can rise higher than its source, and no man who has only the natural love (and that, often filled with sin and error) can of his own powers cause that natural love to partake of the divine. Man is a mere creature, and cannot create anything higher than himself; and so man cannot rise to the nature of the divine unless the divine first comes into that man and makes him a part of its own divinity.
All men who do not get a part of this divine essence will be left in their natural state; and while they may progress to higher degrees of goodness and happiness and freedom from sin, yet they will be only natural men still.

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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The way I understand His workings is that if you adhere to the bible, He will teach from that book. If you read the Quaran, He will teach from that. It all depends on the soul condition of the person and what they hold dear. To you, the bible is the word. To me, Divine Love is the word. To a Jew, the Torah. See. We all have our truths and each religion/belief has part of God's truths.

I disagree with your original post because my beliefs are different than yours. It doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. It merely means our soul condition is different.

At some point in time, maybe a billion years, you and I may see things the same. Until then, we will both travel our own paths.
Though I may communicate it differently, I agree - and the bible is not the word of God literally - Jesus is the Word.
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Old 03-16-2011, 03:37 AM
 
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Wait a minute.

Is June actually moderating a thread here in which everyone actually AGREES!?



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Old 03-16-2011, 05:33 AM
 
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A precious member and I were discussing the differences we have on this forum of believers. Now that the lines are being drawn again, I thought I would list four staples of the Christian faith. As God is my strength, I will never stray from these:

1. God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

2. The blood of Jesus for the remission of sins

3. There is one mediator between God and man: Christ Jesus

4. Jesus is the way, truth, and the life - apart from Him, there is no other name by which men can be saved.

There are obviously many other issues that we may differ on, but it's these points that we build upon as Christians.


What say you - do these four points stray from your belief?
I add in the following
  • Inerrancy of Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet. 1:21)
  • Virgin birth / deity of Christ (Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38; Col. 1:15-20; Heb. 1:3, 8)
  • Sinless life of Christ (Heb. 4:15)
  • Substitutionary death of Christ (Rom. 5:6-8; 2 Cor. 5:21)
  • Bodily resurrection of Christ (Luke 24:36-43; 1 Cor. 15:1-11)
  • Ascension of Christ / present ministry to the believer (Acts 1:6-9; John 14:12-21; Rom. 8:34; Eph. 4:7-10)
  • The future literal return of Christ (John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 4:13-18)
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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A precious member and I were discussing the differences we have on this forum of believers. Now that the lines are being drawn again, I thought I would list four staples of the Christian faith. As God is my strength, I will never stray from these:

1. God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

2. The blood of Jesus for the remission of sins

3. There is one mediator between God and man: Christ Jesus

4. Jesus is the way, truth, and the life - apart from Him, there is no other name by which men can be saved.

There are obviously many other issues that we may differ on, but it's these points that we build upon as Christians.


What say you - do these four points stray from your belief?
Good list! There is one additional irreducible truth that should probably be inserted between 2-3 or after 4. That is 'Repentance of Sin and Submission to Christ's Lordship. One cannot have a 'Savior', unless they first recognize their own sin.
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:09 PM
 
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Good list! There is one additional irreducible truth that should probably be inserted between 2-3 or after 4. That is 'Repentance of Sin and Submission to Christ's Lordship. One cannot have a 'Savior', unless they first recognize their own sin.
I think it was Little Elmer who gave the beautiful analogy of a man dead in the water... and the one who came and gave him life again.

I think we don't know what sin is all about until He shows us first.

Blessings,
brian
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Old 03-16-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: RV Park
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I think we don't know what sin is all about until He shows us first.
That's correct - the Spirit came to convict the world of sin (John 16:8). But some prefer to beat people over the head...
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